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    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Revealed: how 10 joints could lead to 14 years for dealing[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Prosecutions to soar under plan to slash limits for drug possession
    [/FONT][FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Alan Travis, home affairs editor
    [/FONT][FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Wednesday June 7, 2006
    [/FONT][FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Guardian
    [/FONT][FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Drug users caught with as few as five ecstasy tablets or five grams of cannabis – enough for about 10 joints – will be prosecuted as dealers under regulations drawn up by the Home Office, the Guardian has learned. The plan to slash the limit for cannabis possession for personal use would mean that anyone found with more could face a prison sentence of up to 14 years.[/FONT][FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The Home Office has written to the government’s experts, the Advisory Committee on the Misuse of Drugs, telling them that ministers are also minded to set the threshold for possession for heroin and cocaine at two grams.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Although home secretary John Reid has yet to take a final decision, draft regulations seen by the Guardian – to be introduced into parliament shortly under last year’s drugs act – will mean that those found with more than these specified amounts would be charged with possession with intent to supply. Under the act, dealers of cocaine and heroin face a maximum of life imprisonment. The plan for a 5g cannabis threshold marks a sharp reversal from David Blunkett’s decision 18 months ago to ensure that cannabis possession was normally to be dealt with by confiscation and an informal warning.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The proposed thresholds are so low that the advisory committee, which discussed the issue on May 25, is believed to have warned the Home Office that they would cause policing problems. The committee suggested the cannabis threshold should be set at 28g, or 1oz. The experts also told ministers that the five tablet limit for ecstasy was low – given that they can be bought for 50p each in some areas, and some users take up to 10 in one session.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The Home Office letter to the ACMD, seen by the Guardian, says that ministers are setting thresholds at this stage only for the drugs which cause the most harm or which are most prevalent – heroin, crack, cocaine, ecstasy, amphetamines, and cannabis. It adds that the proposed levels for all the drugs – except amphetamines – are considerably lower than those originally proposed, because most respondents to a consultationon the proposals considered the limits excessive.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The government now proposes the following thresholds:[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Cannabis

    Ministers propose 5g, or less than 1/5th of ounce – enough for 10-20 joints. This compares with the original proposal of 4ozs or 133g of resin, and 500g or 20 bags of grass. The ACMD has replied that the limit should be set at 28g.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Ecstasy

    Ministers propose 1.5g (equal to 5 tablets, costing £15), compared with an original proposal for 10 tablets. The Home Office says it would be more straightforward to do it by weight than number of tablets, as the drug also comes in powder form. The ACMD said the limit should be 2g or 20 tablets, as that was two days’ supply.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Amphetamines

    Ministers have kept the proposed threshold at 14g but dropped an alternative of 10 x 1g wraps, saying dealers would simply change the size of deals to avoid going above the threshold. The ACMD said the threshold should be 10g, and questioned the rationale for a threshold higher than other drugs.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Heroin, cocaine and crack cocaine

    Ministers are “minded to set” a threshold of 2g for possession, compared with the original proposal of 7g. The proposed number of individual wraps – a maximum of 10 in each case – has also been dropped for these class A drugs.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]When the ACMD’s technical committee considered the issue in April, it was pointed out that even Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner, had misunderstood the proposals: “Many people still think that the provisions are about setting levels that are reasonable for personal us,e and that if they are caught with amounts below the thresholds they will not be arrested for possession with intent to supply. The reality is contrary to this.” Martin Barnes, chief executive of Drugscope, an information charity, said this confusion had made ministers far more cautious. “We are concerned at the amounts being considered. The rationale for some thresholds remains unclear, and it is uncertain how many more people may be prosecuted with the more serious charge of intent to supply.”[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Paul Flynn, a Labour MP and drugs campaigner, said he hoped the ACMD would “give the proposals the attention they deserve, given that they come from a department in chaos. Let’s hope they throw them out. I am sure that many people will throw up their hands in horror at this.”[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]In January, Mr Reid’s predecessor at the Home Office, Charles Clarke, confirmed Mr Blunkett’s decision to downgrade cannabis from class B to class C. Mr Clarke conceded that the move had created confusion over the drug’s legal status, but said it was based in part on the fact that the reclassification had not led to an increase in use among young adults, contrary to his expectations.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]At the same time, Mr Clarke announced a crackdown on British cannabis farms and a public education campaign to stress both the harm and the illegal status of the drug.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006[/FONT]

    That’s pathetic!

    Just when I thought the laws were getting a bit more reasonable they propose this!

    So now they will be locking up yet more, otherwise innocent, people. Taxes will be paid to house people in prisons that are already full just for having what are essentially small amounts of personal drugs on them. Most people going out at the weekend (be it clubs or free parties) would exceed the threshold at the beginning of the night.

    When will they learn that these laws will never deter people? It just means more people will be criminalised and fined/locked up. Waisting police time and taxes.

    totally counter-productive IMO.

    Surely one thing that will happen is that more people will carry smaller amounts to get round this and them pool their resources when they meet up; thus creating a bigger drugs culture?

    Also who is going to remember a complicated list of thresholds, particularly when munted? or even the Police? Imagine if a traffic cop on speed check got told – red cars can do 30mph, white cars only 25mph and green ones 40mph. How confusing would that be?

    I also expect NHS are gonna have to deal with more overdoses presenting to emergency dept as young clubbers are going to swallow entire stashes out of panic when a bobby approaches.

    Incidentally I’ve been arrested a couple of times for small posession; only cautions but it is a lot of hassle and does affect your job prospects more and more these days as even places which don’t work with kids or vulnerable people are insisting on CRB checks just because they can get this info and its a good way of finding compliant people..

    And if you can’t get a job and need to survive; people tend to turn to crime.

    Thats just rediculous really, how cud you be dealin 5grms it not even a henry and a tens, dnt think it will actually go through and if it did dnt think it wud last to long, just about everyone i know buys in halfs an oz’s for the cheaper price’s

    One day the goverment will realise that drugs are already fully avalible over the uk, what every when ever, there would be no diffrence if they were being sold out of tesco’s.

    IMO if all drugs were legal they would be harder to get hold of, when i was growin up i cudnt get severed alcohol anywhere and without older siblings there was no way i cud get it till i was 16/17, but i was buyin green & hash when i was 13, pills @ 15, and anything else i wanted but considered my self to young for was also avalible,

    also if drugs were well made in propper labs and not cut with shit it would be alot safer

    also it cuts out the drug dealers, which lead to gangs, which lead to huge global drug rings, and so on

    if the drugs were legal, lots of 3rd world countries would (legaly) be some of the world biggest traders but the profit would be going to the goverment not drug barons

    (if you’ve read high socity – ben elton im sure you’ll have heard all this b4, and if you havn’t read it……..im not sure if you should, the main arguement/idea is so perfect but will never happen)

    the only thing i wudnt like about drugs being is they’d blatently put a limit on how much you could buy, which wud suck – but probably be a good idea

    an i recon they wud ban ketamine coz you’re gonna die quicker than anyone else if you use it for a good few years

    cud rant on for hours but im sure you bored:alien_abd

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