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August 30, 2007 at 9:32 pm

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globalloon

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report on the bbc here>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6970194.stm

most of these unnecessary deaths are due to heroin and other opiates
August 30, 2007 at 10:49 pm

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Playground Politics

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globalloon wrote:

most of these unnecessary deaths are due to heroin and other opiates

are any deaths necessary

sorry to be cynical:wink:
August 30, 2007 at 11:05 pm

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globalloon

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Playground Politics wrote:

are any deaths necessary

sorry to be cynical:wink:

your life is a thread. it breaks, or it doesn’t.
August 31, 2007 at 11:56 am

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I see every party is trying to score the same cheap political points but none of them are doing more than suggesting increasing funding to approaches which are already failing :noway:

A 25% increase in drug deaths and most of these being opiate related [85% if I got the figures right] is a dismal showing. 😥

💡 Get out there and actually ask these people why they do drugs? The answers are depressing but they need to know them if they are ever going to tackle the problem effectively.
August 31, 2007 at 3:47 pm

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mudstomper

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Raj wrote:

I see every party is trying to score the same cheap political points but none of them are doing more than suggesting increasing funding to approaches which are already failing :noway:

A 25% increase in drug deaths and most of these being opiate related [85% if I got the figures right] is a dismal showing. 😥

💡 Get out there and actually ask these people why they do drugs? The answers are depressing but they need to know them if they are ever going to tackle the problem effectively.

I’m with you on that one, it’s just unfortunate that a government of any colour couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery when it comes to addressing the underlying problems that often cause undue death and sadly most of the charities are very underfunded and usually quite limited in their particular scope. I’ve always tried and failed on numerous occasions to help out people around me maybe that’s the only way forward.
August 31, 2007 at 4:05 pm

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General Lighting

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Raj wrote:

💡 Get out there and actually ask these people why they do drugs? The answers are depressing but they need to know them if they are ever going to tackle the problem effectively.

exactly. this isn’t the 1970s or 1980s, people now have access to accurate information about drugs and their risks not just from the NHS/govt sites but from places like this website, erowid and many other places.

if people are still taking excessive amounts of drugs IMO means that there is something actually lacking in their lives, to the point they don’t actually care if they live or die…
August 31, 2007 at 4:05 pm

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Raj

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You have to help where you can but its hard to help sometimes when they desperately require medical support from specialised services and this can be very hard to come by….

The most basic needs of a user who is addicted is a reliable supply and clean equipment.
When society at large disapproves to the point that needle exchanges are prevented from opening in a location with many users and this is leading to serious Hep C and other such diseases being spread by contaminated needles I question the compassion of the nimbies….Is it ok because their family is not involved? And do they still fail to take on board that these peoples are sons and daughters of familes and they WILL be missed? :hopeless: They are not just disposable statistics who are getting no more than they deserve :noway: the dearth of good drugs information off the internet is also at fault.

Keeping the drugs illegal and preventing needle exchanges doesnt stop the problem – it just sweeps it under the carpet where you can more easily ignore it:you_crazy Seems to me to be that this is all about an ‘I am alright Jack’ attitude to others :you_crazy
August 31, 2007 at 4:16 pm

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mudstomper

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Raj wrote:

You have to help where you can but its hard to help sometimes when they desperately require medical support from specialised services and this can be very hard to come by….

The most basic needs of a user who is addicted is a reliable supply and clean equipment.
When society at large disapproves to the point that needle exchanges are prevented from opening in a location with many users and this is leading to serious Hep C and other such diseases being spread by contaminated needles I question the compassion of the nimbies….Is it ok because their family is not involved? And do they still fail to take on board that these peoples are sons and daughters of familes and they WILL be missed? :hopeless: They are not just disposable statistics who are getting no more than they deserve :noway: the dearth of good drugs information off the internet is also at fault.

Keeping the drugs illegal and preventing needle exchanges doesnt stop the problem – it just sweeps it under the carpet where you can more easily ignore it:you_crazy Seems to me to be that this is all about an ‘I am alright Jack’ attitude to others :you_crazy

Can’t fault you on that and until we can get some kind of real support, keep your eye on your mates’ backs and hope they do the same for you…..
August 31, 2007 at 4:41 pm

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General Lighting

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Raj wrote:

When society at large disapproves to the point that needle exchanges are prevented from opening in a location with many users and this is leading to serious Hep C and other such diseases being spread by contaminated needles I question the compassion of the nimbies….Is it ok because their family is not involved? And do they still fail to take on board that these peoples are sons and daughters of familes and they WILL be missed? :hopeless:

Not sure about what the attitude is in Scotland but in SE England/London I’ve noticed there are people hard-hearted enough to write off their own children, let alone care about anyone elses..

I’ve read reports of families where parents have been stubborn to the point where they end up burying their own children, and even during the Coroners inquest they still come across angry their kids dared to take drugs :hopeless:

I also consider the current problems with Class A addiction in East Anglia to be due to peoples stubborness and refusal to accept the relatively benign level of recreational use that occured in the 90s – yes it could be problematic at times but the hardline approach that communities in Suffolk and Essex (in particular) have taken has only pushed everything underground and driven people to the more ruthless dealers..
August 31, 2007 at 4:43 pm

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Raj

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I bet most of those judgemental people have drunk alcohol and smoked cigarettes at some point in their lives if they do not do so currently – hypocrites :get_you:
August 31, 2007 at 4:58 pm

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d.r.e.a.m

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General Lighting wrote:

exactly. this isn’t the 1970s or 1980s, people now have access to accurate information about drugs and their risks not just from the NHS/govt sites but from places like this website, erowid and many other places.

if people are still taking excessive amounts of drugs IMO means that there is something actually lacking in their lives, to the point they don’t actually care if they live or die…

il agree with you there as an x adict myself i realy didnt care about life or death…sad i no but my life wos shit at the time..but things are lookin alot brighter…check how many syringes go thro glasgo in 1 year compared to london an you may c why..a good friend of mine od in fleet services last weekend i know it wos mdma an coke but there still waitin for the toxicoligy reports to cum back.they knicked a 17 year old lad for murder which is bull shit as i no the bloke wos a BIG dealer an 26..well upset me that did but life has to go on………if you want to look it up check bbc news 24 his name wos shaun ian lucas..i dont no the actuall page but will be easy to find…RIP shaun luv you my friend!!:cry:
September 1, 2007 at 5:00 pm

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tarifa

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sorry to hear that dream, its hard losin a friend :group_hug
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