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@General Lighting 561975 wrote:

My day job is looking after computer systems that contain healthcare info for older people and very rarely do men exposed to such environments reach this age in a North European country; if anything this shows these substances to be less harmful in the long term.

i think it’s kind of over stepping it to say the psychedelics gave him a longer life. A better quality of life yes, but his last public appearence was in 2006(not because of a desire for privacy but rather physical fraility), so he was dead to the public from then on.

he was living on borrowed time for a while. an atortic valve replacement in 2008 bought him a few years, but he had a stroke in 2010 and then developed dementia. I wonder if doseing hundreds of different psychedelics for probably thousands of trips had anything to do with either of his brain issues: the stroke(which he recovered from), or the dementia. We’ll never know but it is something to ponder.

I’m big on sychronisity, and George Jung(the guy played by Johnny Depp in Blow) got released the day before Shulgin died, and he’s living in a halfway house on the west coast, fucker probably stole Sasha’s soul.

@General Lighting 562302 wrote:

I wasn’t implying as much that psychedelic drugs would extend his life but ìf any chemicals had made him unwell there would be more likely suspects.

Dementia (added to other physical health problems) is relatively common amongst men aged 70 and above whether or not they take any controlled drugs; if they do make it to the old peoples home they are given a shit ton of benzos, opiates and all sorts else anyway (at dose levels that would knock even younger addicts dead straight away).

Recently exposure to psychedelic environments (the colours/lights rather than the drugs) is being used as treatment to keep the worst of the symptoms at bay (this idea originated from the Netherlands). TBH it is most likely only the greater risk of diversion that prevents these psychedelics being actively used in treatment of the elderly or other terminally ill patients (toxicity and long term side effects being less of an issue anyway).

OK i see.

Shulgin was being treated at home through hospice and they didn’t give him any PK’s, glad he got to go out on his own terms.

It is just would be kind of intresting to hear from the Shulgin family if they thought any of his mental decline was related to all the tripping, of course they would never admit to his because of the public position they have on these drugs, it would be kind of self defeating. Another psychedlic pioneer Terrence Mckenna thought his rare form of brain cancer was caused by his daily cannabis use, some food for thought.

As far as psychedelics being used to treat terminally ill patients, they’ve done a fair bit of research at UCLA in california giving psilocybin to cancer patients as a preperation for dying and it has worked great. But you bring up a good point about diversion, say you work at a place with say 1 gram of LSD, you steal that gram and drop it onto sheets you have 10000 hits, very inticing. Or even if you have 1 gram and you steal 10milli grams you get 100 hits for you and your friends.

@General Lighting 562310 wrote:

if he did not have severe pain he would not be prescribed painkillers; at least in the UK large doses are only used very near the end of a persons life. The age at which he got those illnesses matches that of males from similar backgrounds in UK/Europe who do not have a history of any non prescribed drug use nor heavy alcohol usage, and who are intelligent and spent their youth in high flying but high pressure occupations (especially science, engineering and the military).

On the electronics websites / forums I am on a lot of the older chaps suddenly disappear because they have gone down with some nasty medical stuff, and unfortunately not all of them are well enough to return.

It is frightening to both the patient and their family how quickly dementia can set in but the causes are still not yet known (I think high pressure lifestyles and exposure to conflict may be a factor but its impossible for a man to get anywhere in most societies without getting involved in either) ; and its only been comparatively recently that there has been public healthcare across Europe with data sharing and life expectancies have increased.

His wife said hospice gave them lots of painkillers basically just in case but his family thought that he wasn’t in any pain so they didn’t give them to him.

in the US of A they give out opiates like candy, and then on top of that lots get diverted before they are prescribed.