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  • The torrential rains over the United Kingdom have wrecked a large proportion of this years crop harvest. Farmers are desperately working to salvage what remains.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3585638.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3584036.stm

    So if you’re setting up outdoor parties

    * STAY AWAY from any crop field or active farmland. Unless you are a farmer yourself you cannot tell whether a field has been abandoned or not; just leave it alone.

    * PREVENT anyone who attends your parties from entering the “harvestable” parts of crop fields for any reason. If they want to explore along the path bit or where the tractor has already been that should be OK – but do NOT allow crops to be trampled or motor vehicles to be driven into a field

    If you encounter farmers or other rural workers, expect them to be particularly stressed/angry (and understandably so). Do everything possible not to antagonise them further, at the very least they will call the old bill, at the worst these people have access to firearms!

    This is serious stuff – if crews carry on regardless and fuck up any more crop fields it will result in the authorities being harsher.

    Sometimes you do need to look at the bigger picture.

    Important post. I think a sticky is in order.

    Luckily we have enough open space round my way to stay away from farmer’s land completely. I don’t think we have ever used farm land. Abandoned or otherwise.

    Stickied!

    Originally posted by BioTech
    Important post. I think a sticky is in order.

    Luckily we have enough open space round my way to stay away from farmer’s land completely. I don’t think we have ever used farm land. Abandoned or otherwise.

    to be fair I think you lot know the score already – much of your manor is rural land and many people who attend parties from there will have friends / relatives / family who depend on the land for their livelihood.

    in the Thames Valley summer season we do often get crossovers where crews from London link up with the local rigs to share a site, and they are also attended by people from the larger urban/city areas like Reading ; in this situation not everyone there is so clued-up on country matters. (BTW I’m a Londoner who now lives in Reading; I didn’t see a live cow until I was 7 years old so if I can encourage respect of the countryside there’s no excuse for any other townies not to do so!)

    That said the way the weathers going its almost time to start preparing for warehouse season!

    This is an article realted to this topic.

    To be honest I think they have rather exagerated the situation. Plus the rubbish strewn across the fields will no doubt be picked up at the end of the party.

    But it still doesn’t look too good….

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/3612078.stm

    Oh, and the idiot (raver) at the end did a lot of damage with his casual comments. I saw him on the TV news and they obviously picked out the worst interviews. But he said how he would be annoyed if people came on his land and left lots of rubbish laying around. He obviously hadn’t been to many parties before as he seemed to think all the rubbish would stay there.

    It doesn’t help when ravers are bad mouthing raves themselves.

    I know its hindsight and I wasn’t in the area; but could this not have been handled a bit better, particularly in the current climate?

    In 2001 the crews in my area respected the Foot and Mouth restrictions and regrouped into unrestricted areas or even stayed urban during the summer season; surely the “collective” could either have stood down and regrouped or worked out an access route with the farmer so he could do his harvesting?

    There is no way a party crew could have claimed the moral high ground here – and the actions taken were sadly bound to result in more negative publicity. I hope people learn for next time…

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    There is no way a party crew could have claimed the moral high ground here

    Their argument is that the immediate area the party was held in is public ground.

    There is no arguing the fact that it has upset this paticular farmer’s livelyhood though. And has added more public distaste for our chosen pastime due to the repeated news coverage in the East Anglian area.

    Farmer starts harvest after ravers leave

    http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED31%20Aug%202004%2019%3A48%3A36%3A163

    EDWARD FOSS

    31 August 2004 19:48

    The last of the partygoers who invaded a family farm for a four-day rave left the North Norfolk clifftop site on Tuesday, allowing the landowners to return to normality and restart a hindered harvest.

    The number of ravers dwindled throughout the day, with police expecting the last to have gone by dark. Meanwhile concerns were repeated by landowners and residents about how the rave, held on National Trust land between Weybourne and Sheringham, was allowed to happen in the first place.

    Some people blamed the policing strategy, some the ravers and some the legislation involved – some cited all three as responsible on various levels.

    A senior police officer said there had been no major problems at the site and stressed that the policing strategy had been identified in the early stages of the gathering and had been consistently adhered to.

    “We decided on Saturday morning how we were going to play it and we stuck with that,” said Supt Vaughan Mullender.

    “So in that respect it was a successful weekend.”

    One raver fell or jumped from the cliff on Tuesday morning and ended up in the sea – reports suggested he had been helped to safety by a police officer before being taken to the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital by ambulance.

    As farmer Nigel Smith attempted to get back to business, he said the combine harvester started cutting late in the afternoon and he hoped they would be able to complete two or three hours harvesting before darkness or dew became a problem.

    The family had decided not to harvest as planned on Saturday because of a health and safety concern that ravers might be asleep or unconcious in or near the field. Around 100 acres of barley remained to be cut out of a total of 1200 acres.

    Mr Smith said there were about 30 cars left by around 5pm and added that nearly all of the rubbish in the area where the rave was held was cleared up by the ravers. He described the scene as “very tidy”.

    “The tidying is apparently their modus operandi, they do the same at each location they go to.

    “I am pleased to some degree that they have cleared up, but that doesn’t change the fact they came here uninvited for four days.

    Sheringham resident Sara Bland said she had no problem with youngsters having fun, but she objected to having her sleep interrupted.

    “When the wind blows in the right direction we couldn’t hear anything, but it came round and for two nights I slept very badly.

    “As a nurse I have a responsible job to go to and I need my sleep.

    “It seems the organisers were simply putting a metaphorical finger up to people, without realising there is a better way of doing things.”

    Countryside Alliance spokeswoman Liz Mort said she felt the police did not have significant back up from the law.

    “The issue needs looking at very seroiusly,” she added. “It is very worrying for people who experience this kind of thing on their land.”

    Originally posted by Site

    “It seems the organisers were simply putting a metaphorical finger up to people, without realising there is a better way of doing things.”

    Countryside Alliance spokeswoman Liz Mort said she felt the police did not have significant back up from the law.

    “The issue needs looking at very seroiusly,” she added. “It is very worrying for people who experience this kind of thing on their land.” [/B]

    no one wanted to keep people awake – but if the “better way” is licensed events they have been priced out of reach of all but those willing to be backed by big money which often comes from criminal sources – and then the OB wonder why there is “bare ruckus” at urban music events…….

    As for smalller venues the nimbys and nannies have had most of the licensed venues closed down!

    But to be fair I think the time factor is a big thing.

    We can get away with a night and mid-afternoon – but 3-4 days of invading “someone elses” space (even if the land is not being used the approach roads are getting extra congestion!) and blasting out music across the neighbourhood things are bound to come on top.

    I was at this festival for a couple of days, and to be honest I think the community handled it pretty bloody well. After being blocked into the meeting point by the OB, and almost setting up in a picnic site, they negiotiated their way out and drove two hours up to the coast.

    The site chosen was the best possible site for a system that size (45k of speakers apparantly) and faced out to sea. The set up included vans on either side of the rig to funnel the sound, and worked so well that the tunage was even hard to hear 10 metres directly behind the stack! If people complained about the noise, they must have had very good hearing! The only people to get the full force of the stack were the few container ships out at sea (and i’m sure they slowed down a bit!)

    The track through the crops had already been cut to allow access for bird watchers on the cliff, and the one field of crop was a good distance from the car park, let alone the party itself. It would have been no problem to cut at least 75% of the field without any worry of “unconcious revellers”!

    All in all it was done pretty well. Bloody good party too. If all that happened was that a farmer lost a bit of revenue that he can easily claim back on insurance, then it can be seen as a success.

    Not having a moan for the sake of it but i’d just like to say that I doubt the farmer will be able to claim insuarance under the “massive rave held near land so couldn’t cut crops due to potentailly unconcious people” clause.

    It’s just another one of those things that couldn’t really be helped though. But it’s another notch to the bow of the people trying to sway public opinion. Plus they could have been a bit more reasonable with the farmer and not carried it on for 4 days.

    Originally posted by BioTech
    Not having a moan for the sake of it but i’d just like to say that I doubt the farmer will be able to claim insuarance under the “massive rave held near land so couldn’t cut crops due to potentailly unconcious people” clause.

    I used to work in the insurance industry; there are usually “get-out” clauses the companies would use to avoid paying out in such circumstances 🙁 – it may even be treated as a “riot” or “civil insurrection” which cannot be insured against.

    A lot of farmers do not actually have insurance on crops (only on plant and machinery) as the premiums are prohibitive.

    Originally posted by General Lighting
    I used to work in the insurance industry; there are usually “get-out” clauses the companies would use to avoid paying out in such circumstances 🙁 – it may even be treated as a “riot” or “civil insurrection” which cannot be insured against.

    A lot of farmers do not actually have insurance on crops (only on plant and machinery) as the premiums are prohibitive.

    in my experience the ‘small’ farmer rarely has any insurance, even for plant or public liability.

    Incidentally, this is a particularly bad year for farmers regarding crops(unless you farm fruit like apples or pears which have done very well).

    also keep away from chicken sheds them there chickens only like cheesy tunes any doof stops them laying (too busy dancing apparently)

    sorry for the humour but a well said that man My party is to me a celebration of all things shamanic and a connection to the earth we worship farmers may side with the country side alliance block off access to paties etc but I like me butties (made from wheat dont you know)I’m a heathen dictionary says one who dances on the heath plenty of open free land out there Lets take note and try not to piss off any farmers any other land owning oik is fine

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