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September 16, 2004 at 2:15 pm

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General Lighting

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This is from the old bills press website – just todays stuff

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Thursday, 16 September 2004

Newport Pagnell attack

City centre attack – Milton Keynes

Appeal after assault – Caversham

Reading town centre incident – update

Third man arrested in connection with Reading incident

the reading incident was a murder with a potential racial element; in c[h]aversham some harmless 14 year old girls got beaten up at the skate ramp by a mixed crowd of 10-15 – the other two were teenagers attacking each other randomly – not robberies, just random hate-motivated beatings.

last weekend some people from westside of the city went to East Reading and shot out a few windscreens with a .40 or .45 (very hard to get this sort of ammo in a country with a handgun ban!) I actually was in the area a few hours before at a friends house just before this all happened…

I’ve been surfing the cops pressrel site for 5 years now for a number of reasons – mostly to keep an eye on what they say about raves and keep away from road accident blackspots when I’m cycling – but I’ve never seen that many violent crimes in such a short space of time before..

WTF is happening to the youth in our area?
September 18, 2004 at 10:07 am

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On the same day or the day after, there were five murders in hackney this week!

Grim 🙁

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14655436&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=a-day-of-murder-name_page.html
September 19, 2004 at 7:14 pm

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went out on the pis in Reading town centre last night, somethink i have not done in a long time and was shocked at the amount of fights kicking off at 2am (kicking out time)
September 20, 2004 at 5:54 pm

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globalloon

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This is just too much

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3673216.stm

the story involves a teenager killed for £15.:(

Even in sleepy Exeter a friend got mugged for his cash in the town centre yesterday 😡 but at least it was extracted from him with fists and not knives and hockey sticks :confused:
September 21, 2004 at 9:58 am

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Mariasupial

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Originally posted by General Lighting

last weekend some people from westside of the city went to East Reading and shot out a few windscreens with a .40 or .45 (very hard to get this sort of ammo in a country with a handgun ban!) I actually was in the area a few hours before at a friends house just before this all happened…

Think Pookie heard this as he was leaving the uni crew’s house actually.

WTF.

Then there’s just been that murder on Queens Road aswell. Looks like that was racially motivated too.
September 21, 2004 at 11:55 am

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i find it amazing that you choose to live in urban britain when there are so many peaceful places to settle in?
in my local paper its all prize winning carrots and ‘how much is the new bus shelter going to cost’?
aaagh the easy life
September 21, 2004 at 7:00 pm

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Originally posted by ole
i find it amazing that you choose to live in urban britain when there are so many peaceful places to settle in?
in my local paper its all prize winning carrots and ‘how much is the new bus shelter going to cost’?
aaagh the easy life

round here there are villages and other rural areas – I’ve lived in some of them and its not been that much better – just as much alcohol related violence loads of domestics and inter family feuds there, and there have been more fatal firearms incidents in rural areas of the Thames Valley than in the city areas – doesn’t actually surprise me TBH as a lot of country people have access to guns. Theres also loads of heroin use..

IMO the crime is often worse out in the sticks – often its very cold blooded, premeditated and calculated stuff, usually carried out by middle aged people with a long-standing grudge or grievance (often originating in the family home) as well as the angry youths fighting one another or trashing stuff….
September 22, 2004 at 8:43 am

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Originally posted by General Lighting
round here there are villages and other rural areas – I’ve lived in some of them and its not been that much better – just as much alcohol related violence loads of domestics and inter family feuds there, and there have been more fatal firearms incidents in rural areas of the Thames Valley than in the city areas – doesn’t actually surprise me TBH as a lot of country people have access to guns. Theres also loads of heroin use..

IMO the crime is often worse out in the sticks – often its very cold blooded, premeditated and calculated stuff, usually carried out by middle aged people with a long-standing grudge or grievance (often originating in the family home) as well as the angry youths fighting one another or trashing stuff….

this isnt the real countryside though, more suburb type thing?
my nearest shop is 15min drive! nearest road is about a kilometre! i think you may be correct regarding the vendetta thing though, everyonr knows eachother and this makes it impossible to commit random assaults(etc) without being caught. Also if you piss people off you will be villified for generations. Its a little backwards but seems to work. Its as if we have a different set of rules out here(perhaps this is neccessary becayse of the geography?).
I know alot of people with guns, both legal and illegal, as of yet i havnt heard of anyone being shot?
Regarding smack, i would sadly say that theres an even spread over the country regardless of geography?
With other drugs though there certainly is a problem in the sticks. What do you do if you’re a teenager with no leisure amenities?
September 22, 2004 at 9:12 am

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General Lighting

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Originally posted by reargurner
this isnt the real countryside though, more suburb type thing?
my nearest shop is 15min drive! nearest road is about a kilometre! i

well the villages just outside Reading and Oxford are indeed suburbs, full of middle england trash who drive miles into the city and moan to the council about stuff like ducks quacking (I kid you not!) but you do get bits of the Thames Valley which are proper bumpkin-core with real livestock in them (not concrete ones), big fields etc, there is a lot of organic farming and rare breed livestock around here.

the rural shootings tend to happen within family groups as part of domestic disputes, usually one every 6 months or so here. TBH most gun owners are reponsible people, but there is always the danger if a firearm is easily to hand it will be used as a weapon in a family dispute…

Incidentally a hunter was responsible for the only known firearms incident at an SE outdoor rave in summer – angry that the noise had frightened away whatever he wanted to shoot at so he discharged his 12-bore into the spreaker stack. The armed police turned up, nicked him and left everyone else alone..
September 22, 2004 at 9:18 am

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Incidentally a hunter was responsible for the only known firearms incident at an SE outdoor rave in summer – angry that the noise had frightened away whatever he wanted to shoot at so he discharged his 12-bore into the spreaker stack. The armed police turned up, nicked him and left everyone else alone..

i dont know whether to laugh or cry!?

oh, i just remembered that i had a rifle pointed at me some years ago by an irate ‘old boy’. This contradicts everthing ive just said…..almost
September 22, 2004 at 9:25 am

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reargurner

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perhaps ‘shooting incidents’ can be directly linked to population density?
i’ll go look for stats.
September 22, 2004 at 10:48 am

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nah, there was some nutter at the thursday project mayhem party a little while ago. He was shooting but I couldn’t tell if it was in the air (we were trying to drive away from him fast!)
September 22, 2004 at 1:43 pm

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BioTech

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Originally posted by stamina
went out on the pis in Reading town centre last night, somethink i have not done in a long time and was shocked at the amount of fights kicking off at 2am (kicking out time)

Tell me about it. I live right opposite a pub that has lock ins every weekend. You hear fights kicking off right outside my bedroom window all the time. Sometimes it’s amusing to watch if it’s just a squabble with half arsed drunken punching. But sometimes it can get nasty and you really don’t want to hear/see it. Makes you feel a bit sick that people do what they do to each other on a regualr basis and most probably think it’s a normal weekend.
September 22, 2004 at 2:40 pm

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Originally posted by Unregistered
nah, there was some nutter at the thursday project mayhem party a little while ago. He was shooting but I couldn’t tell if it was in the air (we were trying to drive away from him fast!)

this is very worrying news….

was this an irate landowner or (worse still) a “raver”?

I am actually not anti-gun – I think it is acceptable to own one for the purposes of hunting for food, pest control, target shooting or in very extreme circumstances self-defence purposes (by this I mean a situation where Britains normal social infrastructure has broken down, not normal UK everyday life!); but there is no justification whatosever for any raver bringing a firearm (real or imitation) to a rave in the UK.

At one Ridgeway party this summer I was actually rather concerned to see a very young boy (age 4-8) brandishing a realistic looking self-loading pistol replica (a Colt or Sig Sauer, not sure which).

I would have no problem with the boy being permitted to shoot at cans or targets in his own house under the supervision of his parents (I was brought up before political correctness!); and his young age meant I did not immediately sense danger (I was allowed to fire air pistols at that age by my dad); but older people (the boys parents?) were also larking around with the gun later on.

This was no day-glo water pistol or toy but an accurate replica of a lethal weapon.

It gave some other people at the rave quite a scare from what I read on SJ; this was also the same one at which a very large number of cops in TSG formation briefly attended.

Thankfully this gun had been put away before the cops arrived and was not seen again, also they remained some distance away and it would have taken particularly good eyesight to notice it.. (although the helicopter was overhead)

But had the cops seen this gun, they would have assumed it to be real and taken “appropriate action”. The result could have been tragic for all parties involved, and endangered the lives of innocent people. And if firearms become associated with unlicensed raves (even in the worst parts of London they are still uncommon); the Police will be a lot harsher about stopping them before things get out of hand.

Please leave these sorts of toys at home.
September 23, 2004 at 10:49 am

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sorry, it wasn’t very clear who had the gun.

it was a hunter with the gun. there was a couple of them lamping in the fields. fair enough that he had a gun with him ‘cos he was hunting . The way he was waving it about and trying to intimidate us was a bit worrying though.

I’ve met other hunters that have asked us to leave their land and they’ve always put the gun down or held it on the inside of their elbow (you know what I mean, so there no danger of the trigger being accidentally pulled.)
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