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September 18, 2004 at 6:04 pm

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The night of the packs : an international underground party the 10.30.04

We, artists, performers, tribes from the Free Art, we have been undergoing police repressions, abusive laws, the pressures of cultural industries and capitalist economy for a long time.

To denounce these intolerable pressures, we declare the weekend of October 30th will be « the night of the packs ».

One night so that everybody will demonstrate his know-how and creativity in the dark, an international underground night !

Let 10 000 spots joyfully illuminate and fertilize the cultural aridity !

http://nuitdesmeutes.ouvaton.org
September 25, 2004 at 1:19 pm

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General Lighting

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This seems like a good idea – I like the suggestions and philosophies on your site as well but TBH I am not sure how it works..

Do we hold our party in our country (for instance the UK in my case) on the date and then notify your web site team so it is shown on there to “link up” with the main french party, or are people supposed to be in France on that date? Not everyone has the resources to travel across europe at short notice so I think having the local parties in each country and sharing info (and presumably photos, reviews after they happened) seems like a good idea

BTW a suggestion when putting dates and telephone numbers on flyers:

different countries have tradtionally written dates in their local manner but there is now a standard date format yyyy-mm-dd for the whole world

so your party is on 2004-10-30

I’ve been using this format for both work and leisure for some years now and although people sometimes see it as “strange” at first it is intuitively recognised as a date.. with telephone numbers please show them in full EU format then local format

like 00 44 118 496 0001 (EU) / 0118 496 0001 (UK) (this isn’t anyones real number BTW!)

in France it would be

00 33 1 12 34 56 78 / 01 12.34.56.78

that way its easier for those outside your country to call them (may also be worth stating the language in which the partyline is recorded)

if you want your party to work accross borders it is best to make communication as simple as possible to break barriers of language and technology..
September 27, 2004 at 10:42 pm

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I think the general idea of this is for every rig to put on a party on the 30th. Not huge parties or multi-riggers,but loadsa small parties that could possibly be difficult to police.
September 28, 2004 at 4:38 pm

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Originally posted by Leon_Domiti
I think the general idea of this is for every rig to put on a party on the 30th. Not huge parties or multi-riggers,but loadsa small parties that could possibly be difficult to police.

Thanks Leon – and having had the chance to read a bit more of the text it makes more sense – I quite like the idea of keeping the numbers a bit smaller (although this can lead to accusations of “élitism”), not because of cops but (in England at least) large groups tend to have more risk of fights and other conflicts happening., and many people often attend who are there only because of the size of the rig or to “prove themselves” rather than more positive reasons for partying!
September 29, 2004 at 10:06 pm

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Leon_Domiti

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I think it’s a great idea. We’ll be out-somewhere…just watch that space.
October 6, 2004 at 6:10 pm

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sounds proper. dont forget cheese sandwiches & week lemon drink
October 7, 2004 at 7:30 am

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Originally posted by General Lighting

Do we hold our party in our country (for instance the UK in my case) on the date and then notify your web site team so it is shown on there to “link up” with the main french party,[/quote]

Yes ! that’s exactly what we would like. but if you want to come in France, you’re wellcome, of course ! We can anounce foreign parties in our “International” page. And you can also post information in the forum (there is an english speaking part).

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or are people supposed to be in France on that date? Not everyone has the resources to travel across europe at short notice so I think having the local parties in each country and sharing info (and presumably photos, reviews after they happened) seems like a good idea

Yes, and we can host photos on our site, after the parties.

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BTW a suggestion when putting dates and telephone numbers on flyers:

different countries have tradtionally written dates in their local manner but there is now a standard date format yyyy-mm-dd for the whole world

so your party is on 2004-10-30

I’ve been using this format for both work and leisure for some years now and although people sometimes see it as “strange” at first it is intuitively recognised as a date.. with telephone numbers please show them in full EU format then local format

like 00 44 118 496 0001 (EU) / 0118 496 0001 (UK) (this isn’t anyones real number BTW!)

Ok, thanks ! i send this quote to our graphist.

Hope tosee you on our site soon !

Bye
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Night of the Packs
October 7, 2004 at 7:37 am

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Drone

I deleted the contents of your post by mistake when trying to reply to it. I’m sorry about that!

hugh
October 7, 2004 at 11:45 am

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General Lighting

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Originally posted by drÖne
Yes, that’s exactly the tactical aim of all the event. In France, we have the equivalent of your CJA, and we now need to ask for an authorization to the police to do parties largers than 250 people. We are againts this law, but we’ll use it in a tactical way for the night of the packs.

We did this in Britain – some crews got away with this loophole for a bit, then the govt changed the law so its now only 20 people at a rave before it can be closed down under CJA powers 🙁

But it did not stop parties; what we did was be more careful to hold them in areas where they do not cause too much disruption or noise, often in warehouses near main roads or railway lines away from houses; that way traffic noise and the normal congestion masks the effect of the rave!
October 7, 2004 at 2:53 pm

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Originally posted by General Lighting
We did this in Britain – some crews got away with this loophole for a bit, then the govt changed the law so its now only 20 people at a rave before it can be closed down under CJA powers 🙁

But it did not stop parties; what we did was be more careful to hold them in areas where they do not cause too much disruption or noise, often in warehouses near main roads or railway lines away from houses; that way traffic noise and the normal congestion masks the effect of the rave!

We do the same : being careful and having parties in forests, or under the ground… This week-end we were only 40 in a deep forest, but the cops came with dogs & guns, saying that there was complaints with the neighbourhood (there was no neighbourhood around us, and we had only a small sound system of 1 kw…) and asked us to stop. But we refused and had our party ’till the morning… At 10 o’ clock in the morning, other cops came, very quiet ones, and told us that this “problem” with the neighbourhood was a lie…

Bye

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drÖne
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October 7, 2004 at 10:48 pm

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Leon_Domiti

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I was gonna use the quote thing,but couldn’t figure it out.
General Lightning stated that there only has 2b 20 people @ a party 4 it 2b busted. I think u’ll find that with the new anti-social laws,that figure is down to 2!. And they only have 2b standing around thinking about it,or waiting 4 one 2 start.
October 8, 2004 at 8:44 am

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General Lighting

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Originally posted by Leon_Domiti
I was gonna use the quote thing,but couldn’t figure it out.
General Lightning stated that there only has 2b 20 people @ a party 4 it 2b busted. I think u’ll find that with the new anti-social laws,that figure is down to 2!. And they only have 2b standing around thinking about it,or waiting 4 one 2 start.

The “two people” law relates to a gathering for any purpose – not just raves (although the cops may try using it); this was intended more for dispersing protests. Here is the official info from the Together website (wwwDOTtogetherDOTgovDOTuk)

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The Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003 (ASBA) makes a number of amendments to the existing public order legislation extending the powers of the police to deal with public assemblies, illegal raves, aggravated trespass involving environmental protesters for example and the removal of travellers from illegally occupied land to alternative caravan sites.

Section 57 amends the definition of public assembly found in the Public Order Act 1984 reducing the number of persons required to constitute a public assembly from 20 to 2. This enables the police to impose conditions on public assemblies where more than two persons are gathering or expected to gather as from 20 January 2004.

Section 58 amends Police powers in relation to raves under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. The minimum number of persons attending an illegal rave has been reduced from 100 to 20. The definition is not restricted to raves that take place on land in the open air but covers any gathering on any land of 20 or more people.

Section 59 of ASBA amends the definition of aggravated trespass in Section 68 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. The offence of aggravated trespass is designed to deal with protesters who try to prevent lawful construction of roads or fox hunting for example, and who trespass on private land to do so. The definition of land is no longer restricted to land in the open air.

Sections 60-64 ASBA amend the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 to give the police power to direct travellers, who are trespassing, to leave the land and to remove any vehicles and other property. This power can only be used where there is a suitable pitch available on a relevant caravan site. Once a direction to leave has been given, failing to leave the land is an offence or to move onto other land within the same local authority area within 3 months of the direction being given.

(crown copyright 2004 HMSO)
October 8, 2004 at 10:38 am

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General Lighting

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Mind you I can’t help but think sometimes that the threats from aggressive behaviour, vandalism, harrasment and bullying, gang culture and petty crime at parties are now becoming worse than these laws (at least in the UK)!

We all know that cops and those in wider society do not like us and take action to disrupt our events. These adversaries are easy to spot – the red-faced angry neighbour and the cop with his uniform and badge, and we can unite and get round these laws – but when people have to be wary of their fellow “ravers” then things are a lot worse – they destroy the very unity that makes these parties happen.

So perhaps a move to smaller parties where everyone knows each other is a good thing?

I know some people will think this is élitist; but for many years UK parties operated a fairly “open” policy and this has let in some people who quite frankly should not be there as they limit others freedom by their actitivies.

Ironically, it is also these types who have also led to the British government introducing all these anti-social behaviour laws!

Incidentally is this just a UK problem or does it happen in other countries parties as well?
October 8, 2004 at 1:26 pm

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Originally posted by General Lighting
Mind you I can’t help but think sometimes that the threats from aggressive behaviour, vandalism, harrasment and bullying, gang culture and petty crime at parties are now becoming worse than these laws (at least in the UK)!
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Incidentally is this just a UK problem or does it happen in other countries parties as well?

I think that the night of the packs is an excellent idea if it’s co-ordinated enough… so that OB are just overwhelmed by the sheer number of events to effectively police any of them.

From my own experience in France, where I lived for about 3 years (and I’ve mentioned this elsewhere on Partyvibe), there were some very intimidating situations at big ‘open’ teufs. This is included car-jacking (and not just flash motors, but normal cars) by ambush on the roads near the site and knife fights between dealers which was very ugly. Other behaviour which certainly helped turn the public against parties included large groups taking over nearby villages after events. This involved literally forcing entry into peoples houses, eating their food, crapping in the streets etc etc etc.

This is a very extreme example of one event in particular (NYE 2002), but when what is supposed to be a fun time for people to be free to express themselves turns into a pile of stinking shit, it’s definately time to look at how parties are organised…

I like a party with a few hundred people that are all friends of friends of friends, that way, if someone is being out of order, you can usually sort it out because someone you know is friends with them and can deal with things in a friendly way… or so you’d hope.

If crime, violence and harrasment continue parties they will simply be driven further underground. maybe that’s necessary already?

I don’t know if that is being elitist or not, but if it means that fun can be had safely and freely, so be it
October 8, 2004 at 7:40 pm

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My english is not good enough to understand all the posts, but I understand the global sense. I can say that, with this action of The Night of the packs, we want to renew the french free party (and even the whole french techno movment). Because the massification due to the “teknivals” has caused too many problems : many french ravers have forgotten the old “DIY” spirit, they often come just to be stonned or drunks, to ear noise (they just don’t care about music). Something important : we believe in the “small is beautiful”. We do !

But we also have a “political” way of thinking about techno and culture, and about this action of the packs. We’ve done some translations on our site, and I think that U could go and read our english texts to understand better what we want to do.

The main texts are here :

Appeal to sound systems : http://nuitdesmeutes.ouvaton.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=14

Festive riots : http://nuitdesmeutes.ouvaton.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=16

Convergences : http://nuitdesmeutes.ouvaton.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=27

Wandering thoughts : http://nuitdesmeutes.ouvaton.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28

We had a professional translator, so I hope it will bea easy for u to read this.

Bye
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