Forums › Rave › Free Parties & Teknivals › ES/EU : Alert : Girl gang-raped at Barcelona Tek (2005-12-31)
This message was originally relayed from gérard on SJ.
The people who did this must be caught, even if it means eventually collaborating with guardia civil and even Interpol. We cannot allow teknivals to be taken over by scum in this manner or they will simply be forbidden as they are creating an “unsafe environment”
please contact vazylouison@yahoo.com with any information.
this message appears on a number of “Euro-tek” sites – here it is in its original French.
louison13 a écrit:
Un viol collectif s’est produit dans la nuit de samedi 31 décembre au dimanche 1er janvier entre 4H du matin et 2H de l’après-midi sur une jeune femme brune d’1M70.
Nous pensons que le viol s’est passé entre le son des pyrotek et le camion orange « déménagement antoine » et le son espagnol. La victime ayant été droguée au GHB, elle ne se rappelle plus de rien sauf des flashs : elle s’est retrouvée devant le camion blanc de location « clovis » avec lequel elle est venue au teknival puis devant le son espagnol à moitié nue.
Toute personne ayant vu quelque chose est priée d’envoyer un message à l’adresse suivante :
vazylouison@yahoo.com
hey there
by now i dint hear about what happend about this story but as you know GL it cause a long discussion on the other board.
i believe in all bad things you may find something positive.
the cases of rape and sexual are a dark figure in the society as well in our scene.
i was studying the last weeks abotu this matter and actually about to put a site online to inform, discuss, participate with art work and try to get flyers on there in as much languages as possible.
you coul dmove this threat as well to the party and politics threat as this things only happen due the lack of social behaviours and the general missbheave of crews and public.
it sometimes scared me when i saw young girls at raves or teknivals – completely unaware aout the dangers. the danger of drugs and thereofre the danger of being sexually attacked or even raped. some without realising it cause they are on rohypnol for excample.
its scaring as well to know that the word “rapedrugs” existas and is as well communly used at information sites.
unfortunately this info sites dont really reach the people that should really matter, cause their format doent get along with the way of life and idea of the ravers.
as well its unipolar and doesnt really mention a context to the general problem of the scene and a male reader can easyly feel shit aboutwhat i understand.
so we try to get a format that reaches the partypeople, male and female and try to get the thematic in a sensible discussion and we only stopd if we find at any party we attend flyers about prevention.
if anyone has any will or idea to participate, even if it is only a bit of time to correct texts that are written in the same shitty english as you can read it now, would be great , send me a message
would be nice people on here would start to discuss how YOU would get active, interested or what you would expect by a site like that….
thank you 🙂
ok then
her is a pre edition of a site and i hope it wil be used by people !!
flyer, communication [forum], information links are working. on the information page only the link rapedrugs for teh moment…working on update ad would be wicked to get help 🙂
her is a pre edition of a site and i hope it wil be used by people !!
flyer, communication [forum], information links are working. on the information page only the link rapedrugs for teh moment…working on update ad would be wicked to get help 🙂
this first draft is brilliant. I would say its design elements (and colour schemes) do appear to be aimed at a core audience of young teenage girls (which is understandable) –
a harder problem is to approach the males.
We must spell out it does not make anyone more of a man to force a girl to do something she does not want to do – these sorts of people are pathetic, cowardly scum who have no place on the free party scene.
there is a problem with certain sorts of music, and so-called “adult entertainment” glorifying this sort of behaviour as well as a deliberate and determined rolling back of feminism to return women to their 1970s status as submissive sex objects.. – this must be challenged.
Also we need to providing support for boyfriends/husbands and male relatives of those who have been affected by these crimes (even attempted crime which was foiled).
The men should support the girls/women but try to sort things out via the conventional authorities rather than take matters into their own hands, such as by being supportive and assisting the girl when she needs to attend Court, and above all remembering that it is not her fault, and it is not their fault.
Male relatives, friends and lovers of a sexual assault victim often feel equally angry and powerless as traditional gender roles state you should protect the women you feel love for from outside predators.
Cops have access to DNA testing equipment which although not infallible has brought offenders to justice years after the incident happened, and in most EU countries people who commit such abhorrent crime do go to prison for a long time.
But vigilanté action often ends up with the wrong people being targeted, long-running feuds involving whole families, so that the vigilantés spend the rest of their days paranoid about cops or reprisals from the attackers family (even scum have friends and family) or that they go to jail whilst the person who attacked their loved ones goes free (as the wrong person was beaten/killed)
I believe a film was recently made (Irréversible?) which shows the futility of badly planned revenge – someone kills an innocent man instead of executing his wifes attacker whilst the attacker looks on from the sidelines and has got away totally free…
HI Liaphin
check your messages
:bigsmile:
exactly !
i ´ve tried several styles before ending up tankgirlstye. i didnt find anythign of them comfortable cause they were or scary, cold, non expressive or stereoptypish boring. so i decided for a comic style, tha inded site is just for chance always teh same girl cause i didnt like mixing up. after all i quiet like it, cause she is representing fragility and seems hurtable but as well tough and strong.
We must spell out it does not make anyone more of a man to force a girl to do something she does not want to do – these sorts of people are pathetic, cowardly scum who have no place on the free party scene.
there is a problem with certain sorts of music, and so-called “adult entertainment” glorifying this sort of behaviour as well as a deliberate and determined rolling back of feminism to return women to their 1970s status as submissive sex objects.. – this must be challenged.
Also we need to providing support for boyfriends/husbands and male relatives of those who have been affected by these crimes (even attempted crime which was foiled).
The men should support the girls/women but try to sort things out via the conventional authorities rather than take matters into their own hands, such as by being supportive and assisting the girl when she needs to attend Court, and above all remembering that it is not her fault, and it is not their fault.
Male relatives, friends and lovers of a sexual assault victim often feel equally angry and powerless as traditional gender roles state you should protect the women you feel love for from outside predators.
i fully agree in what you say and i would love your participation on the forum. in the link “what can i do ?” i thought about a text for males that expresses exactly what you suggest. you mind to write it ?
i thank you so much for this here, as i wasnt sure how men would react to this and all i wish is that it doesn appear like a emanzipation thing that excludes men. we need to go hand in hand there in order to reach something.
and exactly for this we need the girls to understand to react as soon as possible and go to the next police station. without showering etc…#there is so much to do about but the girls need to get confidence what they dont have. mostly in our scene cause they fear noone believes them, they fear to go to police cause they have maybe taken drugs by themselve etc. plus all the other reasons why girls dont get help or speaking about in a rape happened in the family or on the street. in our scene the drak quote is even higher.
yes, sadly.
even if in special cases i would like to see a bit more vigilanté.
sure not as you metioned it. just a excample. being at a party and seeing a bloke penetrate a girl that is absolutely not conscious anymore and you directly realise she dont really want this at all. the crowd dont react, the people of the soundsystem dont react – thats wrongcore. i wouldnt mind in this case some vigilanté and see people from the sound kicking the guy out of the party. kicking in the way of sending him off andmake understand stuff liek this is not ok !
but generalyl parties appear often like people can just do what the fuck tehy want and noone really reacts !
i agree in what you say and my excample may have much more to do with solidarity and cohesion and as well social responsability of each one.
should is a bad word !!
it should be but often is not and struggling about ideas how to change it i can only think of prevention, spreading flyers, making stickers and posters, talk about..
self justice isn the way forward !!i believe if girls get support and know they are wished to speak if soemthign happened to them, we can slowly arrive to a point that rapists cant do fuck all they want anymore.
sick making stuff this topic realy !! so sad when such thigs happen
in single cases, general and globally !!
this is exactly true. A problem of the 1980s feminism is that it assumed that all men were evil aggressive predators, and of course there were plenty who were not, and many other boys/men are led astray by bad examples from media/pop culture and can be taught better examples.
indeed true, but what is a “drak quote?”
I fully agree that people should not overlook an obvious incident in full view at a teknival – but there are some reasons why this happens (and they are a big problem for these events)
the disappearance of social taboos on exhibitionist behaviour means some people would assume it is “just a couple having fun” and would not want to intervene, and also the clandestine nature of these events themselves does not help matters.
the (perhaps unattainable) ideal solution would be that someone calls 112, the male is ejected but not too violently, as beating him would only contaminate and destroy forensic evidence that could be used to convict him for the assault; the female is handed over to the ambulance service and the male to the police.
But many of the scum do not operate alone but have friends or gangs, worse still they are often “hangers on” to rigs/crews (another reason why they are not challenged)
The other scenario is that the attacker is beaten or perhaps lynched; which as I mentioned before leaves blood on everyone elses hands and a risk of further violence. perhaps at the next party they come back with petrol-bombs or guns to get revenge.. of if the attacker is not killed they simply attack the next victim with greater violence (this is a common problem when violence is used to avenge crimes)
but in all these cases a result of this would probably be lots of cops on site (perhaps riot/TSG units), the end of the party and perhaps seizure of rigs (they are part of a crime scene now and have to be examined for forensics!), and everyone involved in the party ends up being quizzed by cops.
So maybe the harsh fact is perhaps that the crews sometimes think the safety of their party and the equipment is worth more than the safety of girls 🙁
but all this needs to stop and preferably by preventing these incidents before they happen. Every incident of this nature is one too many.
Even if we get justice for victims each incident will be logged on police and Government computers across Europe as a social problem caused by “raves and drug culture” (as will acts of violence committed as reprisals/revenge)
The count of incidents and financial cost of dealing with them (police, courts, health service) is counted, logged and circulated throughout Europe by Brussels. The European media will report each incident world wide.
If too many of these incidents occur, the consensus of wider society and those in power will be “these rave events are dangerous to people, particularly young girls and women. They must not continue, and we must use the full force of our law enforcement resources to prevent them.”
I cannot think of any better reason why people of all genders should unite to keep each other safe.
Liaphin – I will write up whatever content I can for the moment and if you can wait a month or two I will have a new job which is an IT manager in the healthcare profession, where I will be able hopefully to obtain good advice from professional people as well. Please relay whichever bits you want from these posts to your forum (I will register there but at present my work net connection is slow and unreliable)
another aspect of the site I can think of being worth adding to is another bit for the boys/men to discourage the increasing use of violence and weapons in disputes between males.
I am a progressive minded person who usually reads liberal/left-wing media sources (so I am not swayed by the conservative paranoia over “fear of crime”) but it is clear there is a massive increase in aggression in society.
I am not that much a “pacifist hippy” though!
In the early 90s when I first started raving I was part of a “gang”. The gang would do drugs, rave, and commit low-level crimes (petty theft and shoplifting mostly) on the comedowns, and also sell some drugs (cannabis mostly, penalties for pills were way worse and could result in jail in those days). It wasn’t a violent gang though. Fights between members or rivals were rare, and broken up quickly. We never robbed people or burgled residential houses. Weapons were rarely used until the mid 90s (when a wannabe “hard man” from another area attacked one of my friends with a baseball bat).
So I can understand the gang/street culture as I was part of it once… rave crews are perhaps also “politically correct gang culture”… and hanging around with your mates is a way of looking out for them
However in the 90s although trouble sometimes happened no one want looking for it..It seems now that a street culture has erupted where every lad is prepared for a fight, wants to fight, and/or people feel if they can’t afford an Ipod/mobile its OK to rob off someone else.
Also every fight now has the potential to be a “fight to the death” or to create serious injury because even when only fists and feet are used people go for vulnerable parts of the body, or kick and stamp on an opponent who has already been knocked down.
I don’t know why people have become like this TBH. Is it the computer games?
But surely lads must realise you cannot always beat or kill people and get away with it? Their enemy has friends who will become new enemies, and the attacker then HAS to live with paranoia every day. Even if they get away first of all eventually cops find out (a mother, a girlfriend or a friend of the victim talks even if people on the streets don’t) and the attacker goes to prison.
And prison is shit. Even if bullying has been reduced or the lad is strong enough to fight their way through the prison hierarchy its still a loss of freedom.
I was thinking recently about all the things I have done in the last 10 years – raves, good times with friends and families, learning new things about technology and creativity; all of which I could not have done if I was in prison.
The attackers who are not caught create a prison within their own minds – a forcefield of paranoia, which keeps them from certain areas/activities in case they meet their victims comrades.
Why do young men continually condemn themselves to this for a moment of madness often over something trivial?
hey there
of course i have time to wait however long to be needed for you to contribute. great opportunity with your new job . i was about to write to professionals about support on the forum for excample to give advice.
i may be a active person for doing things, but i am surelynot someone who can give adivices and i wouldnt want to send someone who feel for excample good and safe enough to start to speak about his or her experiences to another place where they have to do the same step again and maybe.
i like your idea alot to bring the topic for the guys on the site. i would be well up for this and count on your and other guys support and contribution.
i will write a sugestion in the forum.
i am sorry, idont have much time today, i will respond you better tomorrow….
thank you
btw…i liked your text and i think there is a a lot more to speak about…
i was reading an article recently about the development of small childrens brains’
various pieces of research showed that small children (under 3 years old) needed an intense loving relationship with at least one adult in order for their brain to grow networks that appear to allow normal emotional development
seperation from this adult (eg. leaving them at a nusery or with a child minder) caused the child to produce a physiological reaction associated with a high level of stress
the brains children who regularly spent time seperated from both parents did not grow these important networks
the result is an increase in anti-social behaviour, beligerence, disobedience violence and mental health problems
since the early 80s more and more parents have been presurised (either by their employer or financial situation) to return to work
those babies that were left in the care of a ‘stranger’ are now young adults
in countries such as sweden, where parents tend to take advantage of generous maternity / paternity benefits, violence and anti-social behaviour are far less common
results from these studies suggested that there was no ‘safe’ amount of time to leave children in nursery care, but recommended that no more than 2 half days for a 2 year old and 3 half days for a 3 year old would minimise the damage (to the childs brain)
various pieces of research showed that small children (under 3 years old) needed an intense loving relationship with at least one adult in order for their brain to grow networks that appear to allow normal emotional development
seperation from this adult (eg. leaving them at a nusery or with a child minder) caused the child to produce a physiological reaction associated with a high level of stress
the brains children who regularly spent time seperated from both parents did not grow these important networks
the result is an increase in anti-social behaviour, beligerence, disobedience violence and mental health problems
this is spot on and can be shown in other species as well…
lots of yuppies buy pedigree cats/dogs which are taken from the mother early and often end up as “fashion accessories” locked up inside the house (to prevent them being stolen) – then they complain to the vet their pets break into cupboards and steal food or wreck other things in the house.
when we take on the responsibility of looking after (and/or creating!) another life we have to provide it with a family/pack environment so it develops emotionally as well as physically.. otherwise don’t do it
I really worry that a lot of parents don’t actually have any love for their children….
on the modern “alternative lifestyles” scene unfortunately Globaloon is a rare chap, a father who stays with his kid and is happily married – although there are other families like this most of them are “old skool hippies” nearly my parents’ age and got together in the 70s – they come from an age where love still existed…
If I think of the people I know who of my age who are parents in stable family groups I can count them on the fingers of one hand and Globaloon is one of them!
but if all dads were like him perhaps we wouldn’t have to be writing these posts about dealing with the aftermath of communities breaking down..
thanks for the big up GL
just doing what comes naturally
guess i’m one of those ‘old skool hippies’ 😉
back on topic
i think what liaphin is trying to do is excellent and i think we should give her all the support we can afford
hey there..just quick a message as i am pretty busy editing and doing rpomotion in the http://www...
here a link from squatjuice about it
http://www.squatjuice.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24348
its about donations to be able to get flyers printed and distributed !
i did a paypal accoutn and insert it on the index , but will chnage it, so the user will pass before a page wher they get to know why donations, for what they are used and regulary refreshed abstracts of the account .
by now only direct link to paypal.
see:
http://www.stay-safe.org/
to check between the countrys as its a hazzle to work with the banks, mischief will do another paypal account for the uk to be able to work more quick. this will be when there are the languages sorted. i will keep this one for the further german and european part to pay heer the prints and mischief can send herself on the paypal for the uk the money she needs for printings.
do you think its a good solution ?
what you thnk about in general ?
thank you :alien_abd
0
Voices
12
Replies
Tags
This topic has no tags
Forums › Rave › Free Parties & Teknivals › ES/EU : Alert : Girl gang-raped at Barcelona Tek (2005-12-31)