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  • The energy commission haven’t published their results, but what is known is that the total energy required to build, run and transport the waste from nuclear stations is greater than they will produce in their life time (so they cannot claim to be generating energy, overall)

    there is no way to dispose of the waste

    they will not reslove the short-term difficulty with energy supplies; the first round of nuclear energy would be online in about 30 years time

    they cost 10s of billions of punds to build; almost exclusively subsidised by taxes

    the same amounts of money would generate greater amounts of energy from renewable sources in less time

    so what is this cunt thinking?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4987196.stm

    Nuclear is back on agenda – Blair

    Prime Minister Tony Blair is set to give his strongest signal yet that he backs the building of a new generation of nuclear power stations in the UK.

    The prime minister will tell the CBI later on Tuesday that the issue is “back on the agenda with a vengeance”.

    He will say Britain faces the prospect of being largely reliant on foreign gas imports for its future energy needs.

    In a set-piece speech, he will say it would be a dereliction of duty if he failed to take long-term decisions.

    Ahead of the speech Mr Blair’s official spokesman predicted there would be “despairing shrieks of outrage” in response to Mr Blair’s comments.

    BBC political editor Nick Robinson said ministers appeared to be considering changes to the planning process to overcome local resistance to new power stations.

    Done deal?

    No 10 says Mr Blair will say he has seen a “first cut” of the government-commissioned energy review, which is due by the end of July.

    A Department of Trade and Industry spokesman said there was as yet no first draft of the review and the prime minister would be responding to information about its progress passed on to him by Energy Minister Malcolm Wicks.

    The prime minister is due to say that if current policy remains unchanged there will be a “dramatic gap” on targets to reduce CO2 emissions by 2025 forcing Britain to become heavily dependent on gas.

    “We will move from 80 or 90% self-reliance on gas to 80 or 90% dependency on foreign imports, mostly from the Middle East, Africa and Russia,” he will tell business leaders.

    Mr Blair will say these “stark” facts “put the replacement of nuclear power stations, a big push on renewables and a step change on energy efficiency, engaging both business and consumers, back on the agenda with a vengeance”.

    Economic sense?

    The prime minister’s critics are likely to regard his pro-nuclear hint as another attempt to change the political agenda after talking about animal rights and human rights.

    For the Conservatives, shadow industry secretary Alan Duncan accused Mr Blair of “trampling” over his energy review in his desire to reassert his authority in government.

    Stephen Tindale, spokesman for environmental group Greenpeace, said: “The prime minister obviously made up his mind about nuclear power some time ago, and certainly well before the government launched its energy review.

    “The review is a smokescreen for a decision that has already been taken.”

    CND chairwoman Kate Hudson argued: “Nuclear power does not make economic or environmental sense. The amount of money invested in producing nuclear power could produce far more sustainable energy, much more rapidly.”

    Friends of the Earth’s Tony Juniper meanwhile said: “It’s probably no coincidence that a number of nuclear sceptics were removed from key Cabinet posts earlier this month.”

    in bed with big business? trying to draw attention away from all his fuck-ups?

    http://www.no2nuclearpower.org.uk/help/help_stop_nukes.php

    globalloon wrote:
    so what is this cunt thinking?

    Bombs.

    Trident is being upgraded.

    There is a use for nuclear “waste” – and that is to make weapons.

    Having nuclear bombs to drop on people has always been used as a bargaining tactic in war/business

    Also the technology can be sold to “friendly” nations for hard cash.

    Just like thatcho was doing in the 80s.

    Its like the last 20 years of “progress” never happened…

    right

    that’s what he’s thinking

    not what’s good:toxic:

    globalloon wrote:
    right

    that’s what he’s thinking

    not what’s good:toxic:

    aye, Blair gets more insane by the minute at the moment – I reckon he knows hes on the exit path and wants to trash the place on the way out, just like Thatcher did, but even more so…

    Britains Establishment at its best. in 1997 we had a PM who was once just a sketchy and misguided idealist – if a bit overbearing – remember “cool Britannia” and the more tolerant days of the late 90s?

    Now he’s transformed into an insane raging warmongerer who has abandoned his own parties core policies and dragged Britain into a state of mediocrity and malice…

    devil’s advocate offers:

    maybe he’s trying to get those ‘no renewables on my doorstep’ nimbies to realise that the choice is renewables or nuclear given the number of objections every windfarm application generates and how many have been blocked

    :alien_abd

    💡 for my money you would replace all street lights with solar powered ones which would seriously reduce the electrical drain on the national grid [these were developed for places with no electric grid to run normal ones] and then we could recycle the copper cable too

    :alien_abd

    rajsuspect wrote:
    devil’s advocate offers:

    maybe he’s trying to get those ‘no renewables on my doorstep’ nimbies to realise that the choice is renewables or nuclear given the number of objections every windfarm application generates and how many have been blocked

    yeah, but I reckon many of the nimbys are perfectly happy to accept NPPs which mostly end up on other peoples backyards in areas which already have them (i.e coastal areas, Scotland?)

    I used to live near Aldermaston and people who lived in West Berkshire would support the work being done even when their own relatives were dying of cancer or giving birth to kids with birth defects.

    “Our country needs to be defended”. “Science must be allowed to flourish” etc…

    Now I live near Sizewell B. Was reading today about the area and the risks of the place and there are some good activist groups keeping an eye on it; but I’ve often noticed that where because other industries are declining people are often willing to endure an NPP if it gives jobs to the people and puts food on the table; even if the food is a bit contaminated.

    Even in Chernobyl the Ukranians didn’t want to shut down the plant until EU paid loads of money because they become more dependent on Russian gas..

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    💡 for my money you would replace all street lights with solar powered ones which would seriously reduce the electrical drain on the national grid [these were developed for places with no electric grid to run normal ones] and then we could recycle the copper cable too
    :alien_abd

    This is a good idea; but why not feed any unused power back into the grid? would be better than taking up the roads again..

    General Lighting wrote:
    yeah, but I reckon many of the nimbys are perfectly happy to accept NPPs which mostly end up on other peoples backyards in areas which already have them (i.e coastal areas, Scotland?)

    I used to live near Aldermaston and people who lived in West Berkshire would support the work being done even when their own relatives were dying of cancer or giving birth to kids with birth defects.

    “Our country needs to be defended”. “Science must be allowed to flourish” etc…

    Now I live near Sizewell B. Was reading today about the area and the risks of the place and there are some good activist groups keeping an eye on it; but I’ve often noticed that where because other industries are declining people are often willing to endure an NPP if it gives jobs to the people and puts food on the table; even if the food is a bit contaminated.

    Even in Chernobyl the Ukranians didn’t want to shut down the plant until EU paid loads of money because they become more dependent on Russian gas..

    point taken; we live in the fallout area for windscale [what do they call that thing now?] and even then it goes on working today; they claim our higher than normal background radiation is due to the bedrock and in no way added to by nuclear fallout from the power station

    General Lighting wrote:
    This is a good idea; but why not feed any unused power back into the grid? would be better than taking up the roads again..

    even better idea; where do we start ? its got to be a viable idea given the number of street lights and motorway lights around; imagine the number of solar panels this would add to the system with little visual disruption

    great idea:bigsmile:

    rajsuspect wrote:
    point taken; we live in the fallout area for windscale [what do they call that thing now?]

    Sellafield. It caught fire in 1957 so the Govt changed its name….

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    even better idea; where do we start ? its got to be a viable idea given the number of street lights and motorway lights around; imagine the number of solar panels this would add to the system with little visual disruption

    great idea:bigsmile:

    most street lamps are owned by (or contracted to) the local electricity networks supplier (such as SSE, EDF etc…) which in most cases is the privatised version of the area Electricity Board. Would expect someone there has probably thought about it but cost/nimbys made it impossible at the moment.

    An even better idea was one BT had – to convert every telephone exchange to renewable power (these places alread have massive 50v batteries in every exchange which are perfect for storing DC power generated by intermittent power sources solar cells and wind generators)

    but I’ve heard nothing more about it since it was mentioned about 2 years ago… (maybe its still an ongoing project though..)

    General Lighting wrote:
    An even better idea was one BT had – to convert every telephone exchange to renewable power (these places alread have massive 50v batteries in every exchange which are perfect for storing DC power generated by intermittent power sources solar cells and wind generators)

    but I’ve heard nothing more about it since it was mentioned about 2 years ago… (maybe its still an ongoing project though..)

    i had wondered why some of our local exchanges had solar panels; not seen any wind generators though [mind you i was not looking…]

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