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just to put it into perspective (these figures are taken from publically available documents of the Police authority, press releases and other Government documents and are from independently audited sources)
the East Anglian cops quoted a total cost of £18,000 for closing down the rave last July (a lot less than people thought it would be!)
The cost of the anti-rave intelligence unit is £120,000 per year (so £10,000 per month).
However, the cost of dealing with a single injury, fatal or serious road traffic collision is £100,000 per incident. Now this is quoted as the cost to all 3 services plus the NHS – so take £25,000 as the cost to the cops for each prang.
There are about 3 or 4 of these incidents every week, usually on the A12 and A14 trunk roads. so thats £100,000 per week dealing with major accidents.
Dealing with Operation Sumac (the murder in 2006 of 5 prostitutes) cost the cops £1,500,000. They only got a fraction of this back from the Home Office, but of course Suffolk Constabulary hasn’t gone bankrupt!
The cost of stopping raves is just a drop in the ocean to the Police. They could afford to put the riot squad in every weekend if they wanted to.
Those people who think “suicide rigs” and stubborness will work are unfortunately on a losing battle – they will run out of resources long before the cops will.
Now those with a head for figures may realise the £18,000 spent from the public purse could probably pay for several tolerated legal events – this is true and even the cops / councils realise this – but the sticking point is with our current image, locals will whinge about “the authorities caving in to druggies and criminals and subsidising them.”
I’d happily rather see my council tax or PAYE tax / VAT on goods spent for something like a British “Ungdomshus” or a “safe zone” in Thetford Forest – but sadly a lot of other people would currently disagree..
Was this the one where they got the section 63 date wrong by about 2 months? :laugh_at:
I’m sure it must be more than that GL?
The coppers must be paid on a salary but they must be getting bare money for being out on a sunny Sunday kitted out in riot gear?
I have no idea how long the copper chopper was in the air but from what I’ve beeen told, 4 flying hours would come close to the 18k anyway.
Do they take this into account or do they see the helicopter as already paid for?
I was speaking to a genuinly nice copper at Feltwell and he reckoned the operation that night would exceed £30,000 “easy”.
yep thats the one
I thought that but I even tried to work it out on the back of a piece of paper after the event and I came up with a similar figure. Bear in mind I worked in a Finance section of a central Government Department for 4 years 😉 (the salaries of coppers through the ranks are similar to the equivalent rank in the civil service)
they get standard weekend overtime rates, whether they are looking for a lost dog, doing a scene watch or cracking heads. There are a fair few cops on duty all through the weekend in Suffolk because of antisocial behaviour initiatives.
Do they take this into account or do they see the helicopter as already paid for?
I am fairly certain Suffolk’s helicopter (AA99) is on some sort of deal where the force pay the suppliers a fixed rate and can use it as much as they want (a bit like free minutes on a mobile phone contract), the only costs then are the pilots salary and thats a constant.
Chiltern Air Support (TVP / Beds / Hertspol) have a similar deal. I think Eurocopter (the manufacturers of most police helicopters) arrange this for some constabularies.
AFAIK Norfolk have a different deal for their heli (OI99) than Suffolk and do have to pay for the hours. However they can always ask Suffolk to fly over if theirs is free and Suffolk supply much of the intelligence info, I suspect they are also working with the Met “Open Source” project which monitors websites for gang-related activity.
oh and I forgot to add that a lot of coppers at weekends are specials (they are allowed to wear riot gear and take part in the heavy stuff if trained). These ones work only for subsistence and expenses!
Yeah makes sense thinking about it now.
Still a lot of money and I reckon it’d still shock taxpayers if it were in the papers, but after Yarmouth etc etc etc it’d probably be seen as well spent :yakk:
It took them sod all time to close norfolk down thanks to the help of all the counties working together.
There have been a nice choice of buzzin legal events in Norwich since though which ain’t all bad.
Not a bad deal the 5-0 have going on then is it.
They practically get free bobbies and the special’s get a chance to satisfy thier appitite for power.
I’ve got 2 mates who want to join the force in the next few years.
I was a bit done in about it when I found out but I realised that It’d be a good thing to have people like them join up.
They don’t fit the bill whatsoever mind, they arn’t ravers but we regurly get mash up :laugh_at:
This other lad I knew joined up a while back. I knew he was going to be a copper years before he did :laugh_at: It was asif a massive meteriote had twatted him on the shoulder.
Still a lot of money and I reckon it’d still shock taxpayers if it were in the papers, but after Yarmouth etc etc etc it’d probably be seen as well spent :yakk:
I think thats what tipped the balance against free parties, particularly the in-use warehouse being partied.
that was the olive branch the cops were (and still are) offering but its not so good for us this side of the Waveney..
The cops in Suffolk still consider party drug use to be a gateway to heroin and crack use, as well as finding (albeit tenuous) links between the party/dance music scene and some other nasty crimes that have happened in this area (not just the Ipswich murders either).
exactly. At least they don’t give them guns here like they do in Malaysia! (there has been some proper carnage because of this)
They don’t fit the bill whatsoever mind, they arn’t ravers but we regurly get mash up :laugh_at:
unfortunately the most they could do is maybe be a bit lenient on small time users (like most cops are these days anyway), maybe if they go up the ranks look at licensing applications more favourably.
I can see why this happens though – I never thought in 2002 I would end up working for the Civil Service (nor that I would last 4 years in it!) , and although it wasn’t an “enforcement/frontline” role (I did get offered a transfer to HMRC but turned it down) it was very rule-bound and disciplined. It did however actually stop me going off the rails a bit in life despite my lifestyle..
the riot cops would probably get suited and booted up for free if it meant they could crack a few gypo skulls on a sunday afternoon, they love it.
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