Whether u agree or disagree, i would be interestes in hearing your experiences with these or your own.
I’d agree with regard to nicotine and alcohol; I quit smoking for some years and only recently started again after my mum took ill and passed away (which hints I would be lucky to live much beyond age 65 anyway, and thats not too long away for me!)
Similarly although I can go without a drink if I do buy any alcohol it doesn’t last me long, and I can drink a surprisingly large amount for an Asian dude who is only 1,65m tall and 75 kilos weight (although so could Dad – when I was at Catholic school he could drink the Irish builders (my classmates dads) under the table on top of all the benzos he took!
But I prefer stimulants to downers – TBH I wouldn’t smoke half as many cigarettes if my country hadn’t made other better stimulants illegal earlier in the year; and it was relatively easy to stop with wanting those as I reduced my dose as the ban started and have switched to the remaining legal stuff like guarana and yerba mate (less jittery than straight caffeine).
Yet I’ve still got an untouched small stockpile of benzos (really only took the-m to get my sleep patterns back in order for work when I couldn’t sleep due to the uppers.)
Opiates have never really appealed to me either.
Cocaine is too expensive (around £50-£60 for decent stuff here) – and getting hold of it involves travelling 70km to the coastal regions and dealing with fairly sketchy people plus the risk of getting nicked (the authorities here struck out my previous criminal record for minor posession due to some bizzare circumstances involving a false intelligence file with allegations I was dealing and even training other dealers pet dogs and cats to watch for detectives!
Over the last few years I’ve drifted apart from a lot of my (illegal) drug using friends as I had to move 200km away from where I grew up for work, and most people I know in real life in my new region who are my sort of age have either stopped due to starting families or fears for their mental and physical health.
Barbiturates stopped being widely used (even in legitimate human healthcare) when my parents were young – for the understandable reasons that fatal overdoses were very easy. Never encountered them from the 1980s onwards – they have been supplanted by benzos for recreational use.
As far as common drugs yeah this is pretty good of a list. If you wanted to get into some esoteric stuff then you could probably find some more addictive stuff but I have no qualms with the list and have used everything but barbs on there and they all are certainly pretty addictive. Because barbiturates are never used anymore I’d just assume these folks replace them with amphetamines or pharm opiates or benzos on the list because I’ve never even seen a barbiturate.
GL, I can relate to stopping drugs as I’ve gotten older, not trying to deal with sketch balls is why I don’t do much these days.
Buying party drugs also becomes increasingly awkward when you are old enough to be the dealers parents :laugh_at:
Seriously across Europe it can ultimately lead to hassles from not just the usual cops but the social services adult protection units which really isn’t good when my day job is for a healthcare organisation – even though laws seem liberal there is a lot of social engineering in place to try and keep the use of party drugs within a narrow age group of about 18-30 and an ongoing backlash against the fallout from the hedonism of the late 80s/early 90s.
As for barbiturates the peak in their recreational use in the early 1970s coincided with political and economic turmoil (the formation of the EEC/EU was intended to reduce this); at the same time motor cars became affordable to young middle class adults but road layouts and enforcement of DUI laws lagged behind. In many towns the public gas supply was “town gas” made by roasting coal over a strong heat to give off carbon monoxide and hydrogen as well as methane; this was of course toxic.
All of this created an actual toxic environment of easy opportunities for suicides and accidents; to the point that when it was eventually addressed by tightening up traffic laws, restricting supply of barbiturates and replacing towngas with natural gas (earth gas) from the North Sea populations across Northern Europe rose as more children were surviving to the ages where they could start families!
I am not medically trained so not 100% sure of what addictions actually lead to direct life threatening risks if the drug is abruptly stopped although I think opiates and benzos (and possibly alcohol) fit into that category and everything else is a psychological addiction.
One thing I have noticed is the “apocalypse” that many claimed would happen after the UK NPS (“legal highs”) ban does not appear to have happened, some parts of Britain are reporting an actual decrease in the alleged anti social behaviour caused by these substances.
That said a slow increase in the number of chronic mental health issues and even self harm/suicides over the years amongst those who were formerly self medicating with the NPS (as opposed to binge use) could go unnoticed in England due to the relatively poor mental health of the populace (across all social classes) and high population growth, and this being overshadowed by the issues over migration…
General Lightning! XD the whole being their parents thing made me laugh. Which is something I needed today.
@General Lighting 985465 wrote:
I’d agree with regard to nicotine and alcohol; I quit smoking for some years and only recently started again after my mum took ill and passed away (which hints I would be lucky to live much beyond age 65 anyway, and thats not too long away for me!)
Similarly although I can go without a drink if I do buy any alcohol it doesn’t last me long, and I can drink a surprisingly large amount for an Asian dude who is only 1,65m tall and 75 kilos weight (although so could Dad – when I was at Catholic school he could drink the Irish builders (my classmates dads) under the table on top of all the benzos he took!
But I prefer stimulants to downers – TBH I wouldn’t smoke half as many cigarettes if my country hadn’t made other better stimulants illegal earlier in the year; and it was relatively easy to stop with wanting those as I reduced my dose as the ban started and have switched to the remaining legal stuff like guarana and yerba mate (less jittery than straight caffeine).
Yet I’ve still got an untouched small stockpile of benzos (really only took the-m to get my sleep patterns back in order for work when I couldn’t sleep due to the uppers.)
Opiates have never really appealed to me either.
Cocaine is too expensive (around £50-£60 for decent stuff here) – and getting hold of it involves travelling 70km to the coastal regions and dealing with fairly sketchy people plus the risk of getting nicked (the authorities here struck out my previous criminal record for minor posession due to some bizzare circumstances involving a false intelligence file with allegations I was dealing and even training other dealers pet dogs and cats to watch for detectives!
Over the last few years I’ve drifted apart from a lot of my (illegal) drug using friends as I had to move 200km away from where I grew up for work, and most people I know in real life in my new region who are my sort of age have either stopped due to starting families or fears for their mental and physical health.
Barbiturates stopped being widely used (even in legitimate human healthcare) when my parents were young – for the understandable reasons that fatal overdoses were very easy. Never encountered them from the 1980s onwards – they have been supplanted by benzos for recreational use.
I prefer uppers too i mean i’ll pretty much take anything that will make me un sober but downers are great if u just want to numb out for awhile. Stims make me productive and quick and like Super Woman. Plus they’re greaf if u need ti lose some weight and that’s another reason i use stims.b i haven’t eaten a meal, snacks and whatever, but not a meal in days.
Let me ask u something: how do u know if you’re slowly going into meth psychosis? I would look it up but u seem more experienced and can tell me more.
@slimshifty217 985469 wrote:
Let me ask u something: how do u know if you’re slowly going into meth psychosis? I would look it up but u seem more experienced and can tell me more.
when (this happened to me about 12 years ago) I genuinely thought my house is haunted by “bad spirits”, decided to fetch a large stick to smite them but was wary to search through the house alone, so decided to wake the cat up (he was sleeping in the stairwell) to accompany me for backup. This was when I still lived in SE England but my mum was in Malaysia and my sister had moved in with my brother in law so it was just me and the cat living in the house. He just glared at me and went straight back to sleep, which actually brought me back to my senses as I decided that whatever was there couldn’t be that bad as the cat wouldn’t have been able to sleep in its presence. (he was a somewhat “dog-like” cat like most Siamese crosses…..)
TBH I’m not sure if I’m the best person to advise anyone on what is “sane” behaviour as even when stone cold sober many things I might do are unusual but IMO many drug related mental issues are caused by users being wrongly judged by others and even peer groups of drug users don’t always help.
Sometimes if you have done a bunch of stims it is best to “lock yourself away” for a bit in a safe environment; before the Internet was available I’d usually retire to my room and read whatever books I could obtain from charity shops etc (this is how I managed to learn a number of languages over the years….)
Amphetamine Psychosis is usually marked by a degrading condition when you’re taking stimulants and are starting to hallucinate and are experiencing delusions of persecution and delusions of reference. Although if you spot this stuff then is it really psychosis? Basically it is regular psychosis but you’re taking stimulants and when you stop taking or decrease the stimulant dose you get better. Be careful because a small percentage of folks who get a stimulant induced psychotic state never recover very well from the event regardless of whether they quit stimulants or not.
@Shakyamuni 985466 wrote:
As far as common drugs yeah this is pretty good of a list. If you wanted to get into some esoteric stuff then you could probably find some more addictive stuff but I have no qualms with the list and have used everything but barbs on there and they all are certainly pretty addictive. Because barbiturates are never used anymore I’d just assume these folks replace them with amphetamines or pharm opiates or benzos on the list because I’ve never even seen a barbiturate.
GL, I can relate to stopping drugs as I’ve gotten older, not trying to deal with sketch balls is why I don’t do much these days.
2008 a doctor wanted give me barbiturates against “Essential tremor”, but just before ending the seance, while I told him that I was usually just using a medicine called “Inderal” initially used for other purpose which was enough to stop the symptoms, he changed his mind for it.
@General Lighting 985470 wrote:
when (this happened to me about 12 years ago) I genuinely thought my house is haunted by “bad spirits”, decided to fetch a large stick to smite them but was wary to search through the house alone, so decided to wake the cat up (he was sleeping in the stairwell) to accompany me for backup. This was when I still lived in SE England but my mum was in Malaysia and my sister had moved in with my brother in law so it was just me and the cat living in the house. He just glared at me and went straight back to sleep, which actually brought me back to my senses as I decided that whatever was there couldn’t be that bad as the cat wouldn’t have been able to sleep in its presence. (he was a somewhat “dog-like” cat like most Siamese crosses…..)
TBH I’m not sure if I’m the best person to advise anyone on what is “sane” behaviour as even when stone cold sober many things I might do are unusual but IMO many drug related mental issues are caused by users being wrongly judged by others and even peer groups of drug users don’t always help.
Sometimes if you have done a bunch of stims it is best to “lock yourself away” for a bit in a safe environment; before the Internet was available I’d usually retire to my room and read whatever books I could obtain from charity shops etc (this is how I managed to learn a number of languages over the years….)
what is meth psychosis???
@iliesse 985488 wrote:
what is meth psychosis???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant_psychosis#Amphetamines
Basically when you go a little or a lot crazy from doing too much meth
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