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hi headfuk, newcastle calling…
i was wondering if anyone’s got any decent links, or legal knowledge about defending against charges of public entertainment without a license coz i’m in the process of being busted for it after a party on saturday.
I’d always thought that the defence to this was not charging, + calling it a private party, but now i’m being charged with it i can’t find fuck all to back this up. anyone got any more info about this?
fs / freaky dancing
legal info can all be just hear-say unless you get it from a proper source.
I would say that yeah, a private/members function is not the same as a public event and therefore the same licencing laws don’t apply. But there are others that will. Email us direct at headfuk@partyvibe.com and I can put you in touch with a lawyer who should be able to help…. but his email ain’t going up on this forum IYKWIM.
ronin
Further contacts you may want to consider after ronin’s:
Legal aid and advice contacts for the UK
If you’re ever in trouble with the law in UK information is available to you from the ‘Release’ advice line on 020 7729 9904 (10am – 6pm Mondays to Fridays) or from their ‘Emergency Helpline’: 020 7603 8654 (at all other times).
Alternatively try you could try Tash’s bust advice page:
http://tash.gn.apc.org/INDEX.htm
Other contacts include the following:
Tony Stoke
4 Clifton Road,
Kingston,
Surrey,
KT2 6PW,
UK.
Tel: 0208 549 4282 (after 5.30 – 0973 119 364)
Greg Powell
290 Kilburn High Rd,
London,
NW6 2DD,
UK.
Tel: 0207 624 8888 (after 5.30 – 01459 118 181)
The Johnson Partnership
Cannon Courtyard,
Long Row,
Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire,
NG1 6JE,
UK.
Tel: 0115 941 9141
Mike Shwartz
275 Greys Inn Rd,
London,
WC1X 8QF,
UK.
Tel: 0171 833 4433 (after 5.30 – 01459 136 205)
Hi there
hoping u can tell me a bit more abt what happened? Have heard abt police using this piece of law a few times recently, and as a rig owner, would be good to share experiences and therefore try and find ways of avoiding it, beating it etc.
Was it a free party, outdoors, indoors? Had they given u warning prior, told u to shut off? Did they take photos and details and u then got letter by post informing u of charges?
Hope ucan tell us more, and perhaps updates thru the legal process? A lot to ask i know – sure u have enough to think abt at the mo!
Might want to look thru Squatjuice archives – saw some one in a similar sit. on there a while ago – u may be able to contact them and talk direct to a party person who has been thru the mill already!
Good luck mate! Thinkiing of you!
Matt
what exactly are you being charged with?
NB: I am not a qualified lawyer; if you are really in trouble then get a solicitor on the case! be careful though as some solicitors are conservative in their views and would just as much want you to get punished as the Police (even if they are supposed to be your “defence!” (they will stil happily try and get their fees though). Best sort are solicitors who have worked with activists, squatters or defended people at “street level” like the ones in the above post. Don’t appoint a solicitor in a hurry, many of the local ones are supportive of “good law and order in the area”
It looks like what they are being done for is not CJA charges (which are usually used to clear a site quickly and confiscate equipment) but holding an event without an entertainments (music and dancing) license – this charge needs evidence from the local Council as well as the Police – more paperwork and higher burden of proof to show someone is the organiser, but it is more commonly used by the authorities to bring organisers before Court (the two charges are often used together).
This law is in the “Local Government (Miscellaneous provisions) Act and pre-dates the CJA. it was used to stop the early acid house parties
NB: Its up to the Councils whether to implement the law to its fullest degree – in some Council areas (Reading is one of these) the council can even at their discretion demand a license to be obtained for a private party (invitation only) – this was done in the early 90s to stop people using the “large birthday party” loophole to hold raves..
This is the same charge for which the chap in Hampshire who did the Fawley mount halloween rave got done for, and some people in Essex got busted on this law and got prison time (apparently the beak was harsher because of a dodgy floor which could have caused a fatal accident). If you are being done under this law it is unfortunately bad news and you should seek legal advice and prepare accordingly.
good luck mate, hope you fuck the bastards!
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Hi Heafuk
shit how crap am I, asking for advise then not coming back to give feedback… in my defence the whole thing did drag on for fucking ages but it’s still crap.
anyway, end result was I had quite an interesting interview under caution with one of hte councils licensing officers which he’d obviously done a fair amount of research for as he was quoting legal precedents from early 90’s raves in manchester etc.
We argued the toss about the private party thing for a while, and both kinda agreed that it was subjective and could go either way if taken to court – think I argued my case fairly strongly too, and eventually we pretty much agreed to call it quits and I’d accept a caution plus a warning that if they even saw me at a warehouse party again they’d assume I’d done it and bust me for it. I was also under threat from the council that if I didn’t go for the caution they’d ensure I got no event work for any council funded events, which had already cost me 2-3k in work while it’d dragged on.
all pretty irrelevant now being as the licensing acts changed meaning there is virtually no private party defence anyway.
main bit that’s still relevant was the legal precedent that seems to show that you can be done as an organiser of an event even just as a DJ (I’d foolishly admitted I’d been playing to a copper being as I had a record bag on my back). They do need to demonstrate that you were ‘materially involved’ (think that’s the phrase), which as one dj in 12 might be difficult as the night could easily have gone on without you IMO.
we don’t do free parties anymore, just the occasional mass sandcastle building competition in the summers:groucho:
doing monthly clubnights anyway, and they’ve regenerated / knocked down most of our old warehouses so probably about time to move on anyway.
I’m doing a new free party guide for urban 75 being as the old one’s way out of date, will post it up for comments when I get it sorted.
thanks for the advice way back when… fs
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