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TBH I don’t see a problem with it as you are just starting out, provided the full range cabs you get are a decent design. there are a few “mini-rigs” which either do small more intimate parties or take up smaller rooms in warehouses etc.
ItsY BitsY is one of the better known of these crews (its actually a whole family who go raving together!)
It may not have as much power or bass as the large rigs, but is way cheaper, easier to cart about and if you stick to smaller events where you have permission to be there and the locals aren’t being really blasted with loud music you are far less likely to get busted and have kit confiscated.
most areas still tolerate (within reason) parties for “end of exam time” and there are lots of colleges/unis around these days….
as for genset mains connectors they look like this. The blue 16A one is most common for smaller gensets (up to 3kVA) and there is a bigger 32A one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60309
You can get them from most electrical supply stores and you wire them up like normal mains plugs and sockets, the big pin is earth and the two others are live and neutral (there are markings inside the connector).
thread the cable through the big blue cover first or you will curse yourself as you have to undo all your work if you forget. There are often fiddly little bits and screws inside them; try not to drop these on the floor as you need them to ensure the cable is secure against being pulled out accidentally!
one thing I will say is that running a rig is fun but can also be quite stressful and not everyone finds they can do it for weeks/months/years on end. it can also strain friendships to to the point people go their separate ways….
If you only buy a small amount of kit at the outset then at least if you get tired of it 2 years down the line or the crew splits you can either sell the kit or still have a really loud hi-fi for home…
I agree with General Lighting. As you are just starting out it’s a good and simple way to start. Plus it has it’s benefits as GL described.
The only issues I can think of with doing what you have suggested is….
1: Unless you are using tripods or scaffolding to raise the height of the speakers then you will have to stack at least two speakers on the floor to get the height on the others. Meaning you are shooting mid/high freq across the floor. Unless people are lying down then this a bit of a waste.
2: Although they do a similar job, passive and active crossovers are quite different. A passive crossover is basically a jumble of capacitors, resistors and other electrical bits that filter out the signal that is given to them. They act a bit like a barrier, taking the full signal and blocking some of it to allow the rest of the signal to transfer to the driver. This means an already amplified signal is being messed about with which results in less efficiency and quality. An active crossover sits in the signal chain before the amps so the voltage they are producing is reaching the speaker clean and unregulated. They can be effective and handy when used with mid/high cabs but not so good when bass is involved.
That said, it will still be fine to do it that way and you can have a decent small party, just not the most ideal solution. But budgets don’t always allow for the ideal do they. Plus learning how to set that lot up will be much easier than the alternative.
How much money are you planning to spend by the way?
Because this is a nice little system and everything is there to get you started.
http://proaudioparts.co.uk/basys.asp
It might be rated at a lower power than what you are thinking of getting but I reckon it would outperform it.
cheers for the advice, the speakers which i was planning to buy, and that my m8 already has a pair of, are some you can get for about £100 each or £190 – 220 for the pair, also suitable amps can be found elsewhere on ebay for about 180.
they may be cheap, but ive been using smaller skytec speakers for a while and they have no problem being cranked.
the speakers have two 400w 15″ speakers (drivers, cones subs whatever) and then a mid horn and some tweeters. another bonus is that they stand quite high, and although not the rig wont be as high as someone, would be sturdy and high enough to stomp next to.
another thing. would these be more suited to a small motorway tunnel (one of our planned locations) or in a more open area?? i guess a tunnel would contain the sound and be more bassy , but a bit of clarity would be a problem!
in total, using these speakers and amps on ebay, a 6 cab rig would cost
around 1000 give and take, depending on current ebay prices, or if any second hand ones come up. any alternatives for this price would be appriciated, as i wanna look into more options first.
as for that set up you suggested biotech, it may look nicer, more durable, more proffesional and probably sound much better!! but would it pump enough sound compared to my hopeful set up? also what price is it?
again, cheers all.
…sorry for butting in Squat Monkey. Thanks for the URLs with pointers on how to set up speakers etc. To be honest a lot of it went way over my head. I think I mught have to do a part time sound enginering course or something so’s I get some practicle knoweledge…..
cheers though…
It may fall a little short of the perceived loudness but not by much. Despite being half the rated power. I’ve got no idea how much PAP’s price is but I’d guess it’s around £1750 So maybe a little over what you want to spend.
Go for the tunnel as a location mate. I could imagine they could cause probs with bigger rigs but a smaller rig will sound a lot better in a tunnel as opposed to the outdoors. The bass will be much more effective with the tunnel surface to work against and the sound will carry further but at the same time it will help shelter the sound from escaping and pissing off anybody near by.
Going on a course is a good idea. IMO nothing can beat playing around with your own gear to learn the basics though.
Totally.. i did a course but to be honest i didn’t really start learning things till I became part of a soundsystem and watched what everyone else did.. i soon picked it up and asked people to explain what they were doing..
Now i can build speakers rewire shit.. fix blown amps, set up the rig sound check and what not.. there isn’t much i can’t do.. :bigsmile: (big head i know)
Do the course to learn the basics by all means as you will learn about levels etc and ask about on here there’s a fairly knowledgeable lot that can help out wi questions.. share the wealth so to speak…:bigsmile:
I think if I knew people who ran a system I would try and get involved with that rather than go the college route. As I live in the country though there aint really that much activity of this kind (of any kind really). So it’s start my own from scratch with what I might learn on a course, move or get a car and travel…..
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