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  • General Lighting wrote:
    PV has been around since the late 1990s, very soon after the Internet was released to the public.

    Yes it is stuck in a 1990s timewarp when raves were supposedly a bit “fluffier”, (albeit with more advanced software these days) but thats how we like it :groucho:

    you’re lucky enough to live in East Anglia where there hasn’t (yet) been too much of a problem with this.

    The problem isn’t so much that people fight – boys especially will always fight – but that now they are prepared to do this in the middle of a party rather than just in their own “ends”.

    if parties and the party scene becomes places for people “settling scores” (as they have already done in London/SE England) the Police can claim every moral right to clamp down on them- they can argue that they are a source of serious violent crime.

    WTF? Its not just PV that stuck in the 90s GL,

    You know I don’t even recognise a lot of the so-called free party scene now, as described quite a lot on here, one of the reasons I don’t particularly like SJ, the attitude is ????????:you_crazy

    There’s still a good scene going on around my way, albeit smaller and more private I guess.

    Is the violence and mainstream bullshit a more London SE thing? An I mean no disrespect to London or the SE but it seems to have a different edge,am I just seeing the bad bits, or am I just proving myself a hopeless hippy? 😉

    tarifa wrote:
    There’s stidll a good scene going on around my way, albeit smaller and more private I guess.

    this is the case for all smaller closer-knit parties (even in London!). The larger ones around Bristol still have a “rougher” edge to them (as shown by the reports of people getting attacked, stuff being nicked etc).

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    Is the violence and mainstream bullshit a more London SE thing? An I mean no disrespect to London or the SE but it seems to have a different edge,am I just seeing the bad bits, or am I just proving myself a hopeless hippy? 😉

    it was a London/SE thing but has started to creep in to an extent everywhere, although East Anglia has just about avoided it (although their raves have had trouble in the 90s with right-wing infiltrators).

    Its not even that much to do with internet forums but a street attitude today that conflict and violence is part of life even at supposedly fun activities.

    There are lots of niggling little grudges like that amongst various people these days in some areas, (drugs are used to keep down the simmering tensions, so things can get gnarly when comedowns/sleep deprivation kicks in).

    Lots of people don’t notice this because they use ketamine to block out the bad vibes

    On NYE 2005 two of my oldest friends fought at a party over a 6 year old grudge.

    It wasn’t a serious fight (i.e no one got badly hurt) and they made “friends” afterwards but the underlying issues remain unresolved, it could kick off again at any time and it changed the atmosphere of that party.

    In fact it was one of the things that prompted me to give up involvment in free parties in that area and move elsewhere.

    General Lighting wrote:
    this is the case for all smaller closer-knit parties (even in London!). The larger ones around Bristol still have a “rougher” edge to them (as shown by the reports of people getting attacked, stuff being nicked etc).
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    I guess I’ve got rose-tinted specs on a bit too :hopeless:

    Looking back on it there’s always been odd spots of trouble, an one bad night, years ago, I was at a small party which was held up and the system robbed at knife point. They were organised and sorted and we were stunned, too young and spannered to stop it, NOT an experience I’d like to repeat.

    I just don’t seem to remember/hear about/see the system vs system/gang vs gang vendetta thing which seems to periodically reported, stacks being smashed down, that sort of thing.

    Plus, having thought about it the smallprivate scene I’m talking about isn’t, in my own words, a free party in the true sense of the word.

    The music, the drugs, the attitude etc are all the same but the whole point is that its exclusive, word of mouth only, to guaruntee no wankers. Basically not a true free (as in to all) party at all, although there arn’t any bouncers or entrance fee or that sort of thing so its totally self-policing.

    Ho-hum :love:

    tarifa wrote:
    I just don’t seem to remember/hear about/see the system vs system/gang vs gang vendetta thing which seems to periodically reported, stacks being smashed down, that sort of thing.

    the worst of this is really more an inner city thing and its more organised gangs trying to take over than rig politics.

    It and was combatted on one level by crews becoming a lot more exclusive and on the other side by Scotland Yard finally closing down a lot of events after tolerating the scene for years.

    Crew politics is destructive in the long run as it means people won’t help one another and friendships are strained because of it – but it only occasionally results in sabotage of equipment. In the provinces, if a stack falls over thats usually only because of stackers/moshers pushing it over by accident.

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    Plus, having thought about it the smallprivate scene I’m talking about isn’t, in my own words, a free party in the true sense of the word.

    The music, the drugs, the attitude etc are all the same but the whole point is that its exclusive, word of mouth only, to guaruntee no wankers. Basically not a true free (as in to all) party at all, although there arn’t any bouncers or entrance fee or that sort of thing so its totally self-policing.

    Ho-hum :love:

    true, but the experiment with “free for all” parties was tried for many years – it “worked” for a bit but eventually failed due to the actions of a small minority..

    I can remember being at a really good little party in 97 between Norwich and Kings Lynn in Norfolk I think it was called mr Nice and that was a really good well set up little do and these yokel dickheads that were there in force proceeded to play up and start to attack people I remember them singling out 1 black lad for nothing more than him being black it was a compleat load of shite the do came to an end amid loadsa fighting and they started to smash the gear up dont know if anybody on here from East Anglia can remember it it was a shame as it had the makings of a good little party.

    PHARTY wrote:
    I can remember being at a really good little party in 97 between Norwich and Kings Lynn in Norfolk I think it was called mr Nice and that was a really good well set up little do and these yokel dickheads that were there in force proceeded to play up and start to attack people I remember them singling out 1 black lad for nothing more than him being black it was a compleat load of shite the do came to an end amid loadsa fighting and they started to smash the gear up dont know if anybody on here from East Anglia can remember it it was a shame as it had the makings of a good little party.

    I wasn’t living in the area then but it was reported via our info networks (even back then we had certain ways of sharing this info via the net), its the incident I referred to in an earlier post.

    I think others who were living in EA got caught up in this and some bravely defended the black guy..

    it appeared to be part of a wider “plot” by right wing groups to fuck over the rave scene, they tried this in SE England as well (sometimes with the blatant collusion of the Police!).

    They did this because the rave scene at the time was very “fluffy” and multicultural and they clearly saw it as a threat to their ideologies.

    Sadly nowadays a lot of the anger comes from within. For instance at the recent Suffolk rave, why did the lad bring a cricket bat to the rave? If there wasn’t a cop car to attack, what else would he have been tempted to use it for? (I doubt it would have been practising to play for the county!)

    well as far as the psy parties in kent go – they are still very fluffy – been going to them for 5 years now and never had a problem

    Tekhan wrote:
    well as far as the psy parties in kent go – they are still very fluffy – been going to them for 5 years now and never had a problem

    I don’t want to imply that psy-trance is “cliquey” as a lot of my friends like it, but I’ve found that the psy-trance parties in SE England have always IMO set themselves apart from other bits of the free party scene, and perhaps keep out the trouble makers this way.

    Even so, psy events in London have been targeted by gangs and problems have occured..

    Can anyone remember Storm in a Teacup partys about 9-10yrs ago in London area?I never went but a friend of mine at the time use to say how TRIPPY:weee: they were I was wondering if anyone could tell me if he was bullshitting or if I missed out on somthing really good:cry::cry:

    General Lighting wrote:
    I don’t want to imply that psy-trance is “cliquey” as a lot of my friends like it, but I’ve found that the psy-trance parties in SE England have always IMO set themselves apart from other bits of the free party scene, and perhaps keep out the trouble makers this way.

    i love it that psy generally doesnt attract all that rubbish,

    why fight when you can have a dance off?

    🙂

    A mate whos a regular at the Bristol parties told me about these ‘Drug Muggings’ going on in London area where they’d sell you something then wait till you collapse and then rob you. Anyone else heard of this?

    feedyourheadspace wrote:
    A mate whos a regular at the Bristol parties told me about these ‘Drug Muggings’ going on in London area where they’d sell you something then wait till you collapse and then rob you. Anyone else heard of this?

    Thats merely opportunists taking advantage of people who have got themselves into k-holes and happens in Brizzle too.

    The only place it doesn’t seem to happen (yet) is East Anglia, although k-holers are liable to get drawn on and/or have random stuff piled on them :laugh_at:

    General Lighting wrote:
    The only place it doesn’t seem to happen (yet) is East Anglia, although k-holers are liable to get drawn on and/or have random stuff piled on them :laugh_at:

    Oh the entertainment you get if you sit near someone who is K-holed :weee:

    YaR,

    It’s allway good fun to put on your own parties!

    parties have changed a lot in the last couple yet so need to go back that far

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