Neologismes – such as chav, I suppose – are often so loosely defined that anyone “can have a go”. Consequently, people tend to judge by exterior things, familier things, such as the clothing or what music you listen or even, as it usually happens when being picked up by the media, how much you should fear this “group”, rather than operating by the more classical, sociological parameters… But the result is the same, I guess. You can be judged by the clothes you wear or you can be judged by your representation in the statistics. Furthermore, language production is largely based on signs and stereotypes (or icons). These stereotypes are both superficiel and profound as they reveal a lot about social structures. They have a referentiel quality and create, well, debate, or mayby just a – chat.
The word Chav has been around Kent Forever…
Now eveyone knows what they are…
A pub in Maidstone Had Chavfire night on Nov 5th and got in to loads of shit Cos Romany Gypsies said it was there name for a Kid Or baby “little Chavy”
Got some classic pics of lads in Moschino trousers and a clashing top funny as… But 4 sure if U a on the right side of them you are sorted.
Although I have to agree with certain elements of the posts, the idea of people not judging others is purely a utopion idea. It’s just never going to happen. As sad as that sounds humans are just not geared at taking everyone beyond face value. It’s the way society has programmed us. The media, parents, teachers, the government infact almost every influencial body has to take responsibilty for how modern society treats individuals. Making judgements about others harks back many centuries. In theory it’s lovely to think that we should not judge, but unfortunately it’s not going to happen, as wrong as it maybe. Human nature will always pick on what we deem to be the underdog, underclass, whatever. However, people who are classed as chavs don’t help themselves by acting the way they do. I’ve seen the chavscum website and personally the people that post pictures of themselves and openly invite people to then follow it up with abuse. That’s not intelligent. But then they can’t handle the flack dished out and use their own predujices to accuse the ones mocking of being goth or middle class. As a working class person I have to admit I’m sick to death with these idiots ruining my area with their graffitti, vandalism, and victimisation of those that are vunerable. I’ve seen them at it too many times. They smash my fence in more times than I can remember and they’ve turned what was a lovely private estate into a place where noone feels comfortable walking around at night. The other night one of them kicked my dog. How much tolerance are we expected to give idiots like this? I would say it was a nasty few, but whereever I go within my city, most of the youth that dress and talk the way they do behave in exactly the same way. My only conclusion is that most people who say they’re harmless or shouldn’t be judged have not been on the receiving end of these people. Other gangs of teens that don’t have the “chav” trademarks behave in a completely different manner, and don’t feel it necessary to intimidate people out and about minding their own business. So I’m sorry it’s not about others judging them, it’s about them segregating themselves from what constitues “normal” or “decent” behaviour and then bleating on about how their victimised because they have CHOSEN to behave the way they do. Predujice is something they know little about, people with disabilities, those of a different colour, those of a different faith, those from different countries or cultures, they are the ones who are predujiced, they don’t choose what they are or where they come from, but these teenage terrors do, so if people get fed up with them and slate them that’s not predujice, it’s just people who are entitled to free speech speaking out against those that have no respect for others.
You seem like an intelligent person. Try using some paragraphs to make your argument a bit easier to read! :o)
Only kidding.
Yes, I agree with a lot of what you have to say there. The town I live in has never really been peaceful and safe but with the modern day chav culture hardly anybody feels safe walking about. Even in the daytime!
Even I feel intimidated sometimes when you walk past loads of “chav” types hanging about shouting abuse on a street corner, and i’m not a small bloke.
I hate to say it, because it sounds like a cliche now, but I suppose you have got to look at the reason why they do it… i.e it’s societys fault. It’s not really an excuse to behave like that but they have got nothing going for them round here. Being part of a group makes them feel included in something. Plus when you are young it’s easy to get swayed by your peers and in that group mentality things get out of hand.
I still think a lot of them are little cunts but I don’t believe that over the years people have just started to evolve into that. Something is making a large proportion of youths turn that way.
As for Chavscum.co.uk, I get more dissapointed by the comments made by ignorant c**ts everytime I read it. Some of the people on there are worse than the chavs imo
As for Chavscum.co.uk, I get more dissapointed by the comments made by ignorant c**ts everytime I read it. Some of the people on there are worse than the chavs imo
TBH I think the “dress codes” are a side issue – and I agree with biotech about the chavscum forum! But all these subcultures (as far as fashion is concerned) existed when we were teenagers in the 1980s – chavs were called “casuals” or “townies” then and goths/rockers of course still existed (my school was full of them).
What is actually happening is that younger people, in particular young males, are increasingly becoming more prejudiced and more willing to settle difference or enforce their territory by the use of violence. This is happening across all cultures and ethnic groups..
many “goths/rockers” would be quite happy to beat up some who looked like a “chav” if they got them on their own, some in fact had done so and boasted about it on chavscum (the mods and admin removed loads of stuff and banned quite a few people – they seemed worried about the old bill starting investigations!)
A recent readers’ poll in the Guardian on “the role of males in modern society” came up with results that most of the 18-25 age group felt more justified in using physical violence to achieve their ends than there elders. Even more surprising IMO that this particular paper came up with such results – I wouldn’t have thought Guardian readers were thugs (unless they are just buying the paper to use as a “millwall brick”)
I think the media does have a big role as well – 90% of all telly is now about conflict of some sort – OK with news and current affairs this is inevitable (there is a war on after all!) but perhaps there should be a limit on some of the reality shows and the “debate” programmes? many never reach a compromise or consenus and merely fuel differences (even the best-run ones with have sometimes ended up with Police being called to the studio – LWT had this happen a number of times, Central had a few of their staff beaten up (including a floor manager, and he wasn’t a small guy)
media also champions the more dysfunctional people by giving them publicity – in some cases thousands of pounds worth of airtime and column inches. It therefore seems “acceptable” for Pete Doherty to have a fight with his band members, for Dizzee Rascal to carry pepper spray, whilst other better behaved musicans don’t get as much publicity.
then add to this soap-operas where domestic violence is an everyday occurence, and constant news of a war….
this I think is the real problem. with the youth only seeing negativity and hate everywhere in an increasingly competitive world (stuff like families, friendships relationships, jobs etc is all now more and more insecure nowadays), is it at all suprising they are forming “tribes” and taking a low-level war to the streets?
Yeah I have to agree they are just as narrow minded as chavs themselves!
I am just so fed up with the little dickheads though I mean I work in a shopping center and the other day there where two “chavs” playing football up against my shop, Once I had politely told them to move they did but guess what five minutes later there back again purely because they have been told not to and want to cause trouble!
They where about 16 or 17 aswell shouledn’t they be at work?, or at least be playing football on one of the many fields there are in milton keynes.
It is obviously down to lack of edjucation and boredem but there just doesen’t seem to be anything that we can do to stop them, we build a nice park it gets trashed, we build a basket ball coart and guess what it gets trashed! what can we do?
We cant even just blame it on youths either because once they are old enough to drink stella guess what you get asked “oi what you looking at” in the local pub!
There is just no getting away from them chavs ARE our society.
yeah thats the sad truth. This behaviour is just gonna keep goin on and on as the kids learn from their parents and then when they have kids the cycle just keeps continuing.
In a way it isn’t their fault as its the environment they’re growing up in but you can’t help get angry with them when they’re just plain causin trouble for the hell of it!
I saw a program a while ago about these kids who were right little hellraisers and there was this one girl taunting the jewish community, especially the women. All the mother did was laugh and encourage her, whilst she was yelling at some poor women, what kind of example is th
at?? Its just so frustrating as what can you really do to change this? Sure education is the way forward but implementing it is a whole other issue….
you build a rave and it gets trashed as well 🙁 – this is a particular annoyance round our way as loads of people I know had serious grief from the cops last yr (including riot squad and dogs set on them) and their rigs confiscated because locals and cops finally had enough of the state party buildings were being left in (windows getting busted out, floods and fires being started…..)
also some chav kids use raves as a cover for shoplifting and burglary missions, sometimes you can’t blame TVP for getting the wrong idea… particularly if they are rinsing the area in which a rave happens
its quite soul-destroying sometimes, particularly when you see people from the party crews who otherwise have decent lifestyles getting stress from the criminal justice system for others crimes…
IMO there are two main bad things that are causing people to turn bad
1. unfortunately a lot of education has been fucked up by governments constant emphasis on academic qualifications and exams, and now there are way more exams – even at primary school level and early teenage years!
The stress of exams still leaves me with a hatred of educational institutions (I still have nightmares about them sometimes and I am in my 30s), and I am supposed to be a “brainy” person who got some good qualifiications…
For kids who aren’t good at exams or are dealing with all the other pressures of teenage life, I can easily see why many turn to crime or anti-social behaviour – they are already thrown on the scrap-heap.
There is no alternative for them as companies won’t invest in training them for trades (even though we need more plumbers, builders, electricians etc), as they can get cheap workers from other countries.
2. I definitely think the media especially TV have a lot to answer for. Its a double edged sword – a lot of young people want to be part of the media or something creative; OTOH their career path has been systematically destroyed as the conventional media companies cannibalise themselves with mergers and downsizing, ditto with the mainstream music industry. However, as mentioned before reality and “debate” programmes mean that exhibiting dysfunctional behaviour can get you featured on a telly programme, and every time someone sees this on TV they think “well they got away with it and weren’t nicked, why can’t I do the same?”
I also think alot of them have the idea that it is good to be in prison? Its kind of a big me up “im a man”.
Of coarse they do deserve to go but nowdays prison is just a college for criminals.
They may go in knowing how to nick a car but after going in to prison they will now no how to break into a house etc.
There is actually no way of punishing these people either no matter what law enforecments there are crime will continue, something needs to be done.
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