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I guess your countries police force affects the way you can promote your parties. Thats rather unfortunant because it limits the potential for bigger and better parties.
I thought it was mentioned somewhere that if a party was free and non-profit, then it was legal. But now it sounds like even thats illegal? Then why make them free? Sounds like your law enforcement is run by nazis. Can’t you LEGALLY rent out a warehouse from its owner, legally keep under the sound ordinances, and have security so that probable cause is gone? Can’t a party safely occur and be PROMOTED without risking fines or getting busted under those conditions? I’m confuzzled.
About half the parties here are “unlicensed” as you call it. Maybe more than half. They’re almost never free though. DJs cost money, as do sound crews, generators, and fliers. A solid lineup for a desert party can easily run over $1000 for DJs alone, a few hundred for sound, and a few hundred for promotion. We don’t have any laws seperating free parties from non-free parties. Why did you get the impression there were no outlaw parties here?
check out the uk teknival thread
a free party is legal until a section63 is served (read this for more info).
Why make them free? a free party is free for everyone to enjoy… a bit like this site (if you want to offer donations or support, you can).
Importantly, the roots of our free party culture here were in the travelling community and as such there is a common ethos of autonomy. This exists apart from the confines of an environment where the music must be a certain volume, finish at a certain time, hired ‘security’ control what you choose to take into your body and so on
of course you can organise an event of this kind, but it has to succeed commercially. The cost of applying for a Public Entertainment License for a public event inevitabley cause creative corners to be cut.
I got the impression from other US members that there are some outlaw events, but they were few and risky.
What effect has the Rave Act? Haven’t a few people gone to prison for organising legal events in the US?
also, free parties were totally legal untill the 1994 criminal justice act, it was me who confused you, sorry. section 63 of that act outlawed dance music outdoors, in effect.
we put them on for free because money is shit and ruins everything. well, thats why i do. plus as you have rightly surmised, our laws are fascist and our lisencing is ridiculous. it means that we put on parties because we want toput on parties, not because we can make money. plus it means we dont turn anyone away for being poor.
in london, the vibe is so harsh that squat (warehouse) parties actually need door security, as the parties attract a lot of crime. this means its now £5 to get in, but the parties are much safer. when people put on parties without security, they can end up pretty ugly.
check out the uk teknival thread
I did, looks like it was pretty fun time. Wish I could have been there to see for myself! Could someone give a more in depth description or review?
What I was talking about when I said “laws limiting your parties” is limiting their potential for growth. The UK has over 10 times the population of Arizona, but only twice the landmass! Yet, we can thow over 1,100 GPB (just realized you fellows don’t use dollars, and I found a fun currency calculator) parties every single weekend, with at least 300 to 500 people every saturday night. Once a month, we approach 1000 people. With a much smaller area, and more people, your scene would flourish to numbers and qualities that would drawf our cowboy scene if your government only allowed you. I’m not saying that your laws keep you guys from partying, I doubt anything could do that, but I’m saying that its keeping your parties and your scene as a whole from achieving its full potential. I was previously under the impression that Europe has LESS strict laws than the US on things such as raves.
Why make them free? a free party is free for everyone to enjoy… a bit like this site (if you want to offer donations or support, you can)
true, but website don’t take time rather than capital to start up. There are a few free parties here in AZ, and those who throw them are raver-gods, but it does limit the potential. If every party runs off of donations, then intelligent lighing, networked sound, and reliable venues can never be expanded. Basically, here in Arizona, while events that are free are great, they are STAGNANT. They never develop into anything bigger and greater, and they never increase to reach a greater potential. If a party only charges a few pounds to get in, hardly anyone will be “too poor” to attend. It doesn’t really keep anyone out.
However, instead of a free party spending say a hundred pounds, and then a hundred pounds (minus donations) is lost to throw the party; you can aim to make 500 pounds off admission, and spend 600 pounds on a party. Parties lose money no matter how you work it, the idea is that by charging at the door, you still lose the same ammount of money, but you throw a MUCH better party! That way, that many more people are impressed by the party they get for such a small ammount of money, and next time you can aim to make 700 pounds and throw a 1000 pound party. You keep expanding and reinvesting into the next event. You don’t charge admission to make money, you charge admission to make bigger, better parties. You do it for the party goers, not the party throwers.
of course you can organise an event of this kind, but it has to succeed commercially. The cost of applying for a Public Entertainment License for a public event inevitabley cause creative corners to be cut.
I read that thread, and didn’t realize how difficult it was for you guys. Here, we don’t need a license at all, unless there is alcohol sold. How much money does it cost to abtain a Public Entertrainment License? I couldn’t find any exact numbers or ways to estimate….
Importantly, the roots of our free party culture here were in the travelling community and as such there is a common ethos of autonomy which exists apart from the confines of an environment where the music must be a certain volume, finish at a certain time, hired ‘security’ control what you choose to take into your body and so on
I hear ya. There’s that same spirit here, only its not as limited as you might image. We can have the music as loud as we want, we just need a permit, or choose a location that has no oridinaces. We can stay as long as we want, but everyone is tired from dancing since 9 at night and only a few people are still around at 5 am, so it makes sense to close up around then. Security is there to make sure that weapons are not brought in, and that no one is IRRESPONSIBLE with their drug use. To make sure no one is so fucked up, that they are they types who ruin it for the rest of the party goers. Security is neccesary for large events, to keep them orderly and to keep them from being broken up by the police. We have the same values of autonomy as you, we just realistic plan out how to achieve those goals within the system, rather than in spite of it, or hiding from it. Granted, as we are learning, we have somewhat different systems, so that complicates matter.
What effect has the Rave Act? Haven’t a few people gone to prison for organising legal events in the US?
Yes, there have been a few. The Rave act has basically made clubs and “club-like” events more difficult. It has made security neccesary, for legal reasons. It has made things become more undergrounds, and has forced us to be creative in how we throw events. By and large, it hasn’t stopped anyone and hasn’t affected the scene signicicantly, at least in Arizona.
There is no uniform law accross Europe. The ‘new 10’ members of the EU have come under some pressure to tighten up how they deal with large scale raves..
the Czeck Republic used to be fairly cool about Teknivals, but have started to make life harder for the organisers
Spain lets a couple of massive events happen per year, and seems fairly relaxed about smaller parties, but prefers to keep things within their clubs (which, in fairness are always open and cheap)
France allows a couple of massive events, but then cracks down hard on all the other, smaller free parties which happen th rest of the year
The UK laws are confusing, but most of the time, parties pass off without any trouble… most of the police I’ve ever had to deal with have been at least civil, if not actually friendly, becuse they realise people just want to have fun, and will do, no matter what
interesting points
many rig owners will put on occasional club nights to generate income… others may rent out their equipment to club / private events to finance their parties
as soon as you start charging, you need to have a license, if my understanding of UK law is true
you don’t need any kind of license? so you could set up a week long rave with as many sound systems as you want, anywhere you like, without any kind of license?
A PEL costs whatever a local council decide is reasonable for the event (they can charge full cost recovery, if they want, although some councils like to encourage some culture in their area, so are less expensive).
For a recent stadium rock concert in Reading this year I believe they asked over £40,000 (that’s about $75,000), but that is exceptionally expensive
What I was talking about when I said “laws limiting your parties” is limiting their potential for growth.
i know what you’re saying, but from the mid 80’s up to ’94 the rave culture in this country expanded unchecked. it got to the point where the govt effectively tried to ban any events that feature music ‘characterised by repetative beats’… we are coming from 2 fairly different histories, legally
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i’m just talking to a friend of mine who is belgan and lives in belgum he sais that even legal raves are hard to make as the govenment don’t like them ..he tends to go into germany to go raving as he only lives like 30 mins from the border…
this is a real shame given the areas history! Mind you its no different I suppose from how many of the UK hardcore/breakbeat tunes developed in Essex which is now a no-go zone for raves…
yeah essex police are evil … as soon as my area changed from the met to essex police things went down hill in all aspects ..people where getting harased by police and shit for doing nothing other than walking down the road… any way… back to the subject …. when i get a chance to talk to my friend further ..i will ask him some more .. he had to go just then so didn’t get a chance to ask him about the details properly ….
daftfader: i need some info on the police and raves in belgum ..
daftfader: when you get online can you msn me plz m8 ..
Kevin: im here in about 30 mins bro oki doing some shit here
daftfader: cool m8 ..:…birds by any chance?
Kevin said:
nope thats monday !!
daftfader: lol
daftfader: kk
Kevin: woef im here matey
Kevin: what you need to know
daftfader: what are the laws on raves in belgum
Kevin: most city’s forbit them some do alow them to
daftfader: and there the legal ones
Kevin: yep illigal once well they happen and cops dont find out about them
daftfader: ah ok .. you know much about the illigal ones
Kevin: doesnt happen that often sins we got shit loads of legal once
Kevin: mostly they make it just like a party
Kevin: and just turn it to a rave there wile cops thinks its a ordenary party
daftfader: lol
Kevin: party’s here dont have a closing hour
Kevin: anyways just gota go to the cops and say where and when your gone have it
Kevin: -> aint she a cute bitch
daftfader: well some one i was talking to wants to start putting on free partys in belgum ..
daftfader: like just turning up at a field and seting up a sound system ..ect. …is this posible ..
daftfader: or would they go to prison
daftfader: ^^lol yeah she is well sexeh …trust you to change the subject to girls
Kevin: most he wil get … is a ticket by the cops (money) and shutdown
daftfader: so will they take the sound system away
Kevin: nope
daftfader: and what happens if he gets caught lots of times
Kevin: well if it happens to often they will but there not verry smart here
daftfader: just more fines
daftfader: ah ok ..lol
Kevin: its like 4 city’s working together here whit cops if he go’s around they will never know lol
daftfader: so whats the diferance from a party and a rave in belgum
Kevin: rave is hardcore music drugs and shit thats what the cops think
daftfader: yeah ..but legaly …
Kevin: party is just alowing 16 year olds and its like radio music
Kevin: rave 18 years btw
daftfader: ya… but this is gonna be illigal anyway
daftfader: i belive
Kevin: then its easy they wont find it out lol
daftfader: ok ….
daftfader: any advise on what to do for illigal party in belgum
Kevin: hehe wanne know the last sms this cuty sended to me
daftfader: lol go on then
Kevin: advices non atm ill talk to some illigal party makiing peeps for ya
daftfader: tnx m8 ..
i’ll give you an update when he finds out more info ….
don’t bother to much hastle
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