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Crystal Meth
Is also known as ice, crystal, glass, crank, yaba in its various forms.
Its chemical name is methamphetamine hydrochloride and in its pure form it is a colourless crystalline solid. [In its most impure form it can be a crumbly brown or off-white crystal structure – this is the version known as crank]
The crystal meth bought on the street may be impure due to bad synthesis or may have been cut with other things to bulk out the quantity.
Effects of methamphetamine
Methamphetamine is a central nervous system stimulant which closely mimics the body’s natural fight-or-flight response to danger or threat.
[increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, constriction of the artery walls, dilation of the bronchial tubes (oncreases oxygen uptake), and increased blood sugar]
Users are more focused, more alert and lose their appetite as well as not noticing fatigue at the lower doses. If a higher dose is taken [especially by smoking] a ‘rush’ or ‘flash’ is experienced which causes intense pleasure but only lasts a few minutes. If it is used regularly the dose required to get the same rush can escalate rapidly.
Other effects of methamphetamine are:
Twitching or jitteryness or restlessness
Dry mouth
Jaw clenching/teeth grinding
Agitation
Repetitive behaviour patterns [like obsessive compulsive behaviour but drug induced]
Diaorrhea
Nausea
Loss of appetite
Insomnia, disturbed sleep patterns
Irritability
Talkativeness
Panic attacks
Dilated pupils
Increased libido [often without erection in males]
Weightloss
Sweating
Visual and auditory hallucinations [hearing and seeing things]
Itching [leads to scratching and welts on the skin]
Shortness of breath
Anxiety
Aggressiveness and violent behaviour
Suspiciousness & paranoia
Overconfidence [false sense of importance and power]
Severe depression, suicidal tendencies
The effects on the body of long term use are:
Psychological addiction
Weight loss
Depression on the come down
Inability to maintain an erection
Very fast loss of teeth due to low saliva production and reduced blood supply to the mouth combined with bad oral hygiene
Psychosis
Poor imminue system function
Anxiety
Chronic fatigue
Emotional mood swings
Kidney and lung damage [can be fatal]
Liver damage
Strokes
Methamphetamine also has a significant risk of overdose due to the ways it can be taken; the symptoms of overdose include:
a sensation that the user’s skin is crawling with bugs [the user may pick at their skin causing sores which become infected due to repeated picking]
Long term cognitive impairment [that means permanent brain damage which alters how you behave/function][symptoms are similar to Parkinson’s disease]
Severe depression
Serious overheating
Convulsions
Delusions and/or hallucinations
Paranoia
Kidney damage[caused by reduced blood supply to the organs]
Comas
Kidney failure
Death due to a heart attack
Death due to burst blood vessels in the brain [stroke]
How methamphetamine is taken
Methamphetamine can be taken in a variety of ways:
Orally, snorting, inhaling the vapourised fumes and intravenously being the most common (anal insertion and insertion into the urethra are also sometimes used).
Methamphetamine bought on the street is usually cut with other substances making the actual strength of the drug unknown until consumed.
A regular users dose of methamphetamine (especially intravenous user) could be fatal to an occassional user so please be very careful if you use it.
If you are going to be taking the drug start with small amounts until you have gauged the strength of the batch you have.
Erowid Methamphetamine Vault : Dosage gives you and idea of the dosages involved in safe use of the drug.
Please be aware that regular use of this drug quickly leads to tolerance and leads to larger doses being required for the same effect and that repeated use of the drug in a day will lead to the loss of the initial euphoric feeling a new user feels.
Some drugs such as MAOI inhibitors have an adverse [bad] reaction with methamphetamine and are very dangerous when taken in conjunction with it.
Also make sure you are aware of the symptoms of overdose so that you know when you have overdone it and may require medical assistance.
Some final cautionary notes
Please be aware that there is a world of difference between what is normally called speed and crystal meth
Sspeed is amphetamine sulphate; crystal meth is methamphetamine.
Tthere have only been 89 recorded deaths from amphetamine sulphate since 1886; i have no idea exactly what the crystal meth figures are but we are talking hundreds.
Here are some user accounts of it for your information:
“The only time i took it i ‘came to’ at about 7 in the morning, covered in body paint, wearing just a pair off cut of denim shorts (don’t know where either the paint or shorts came from, or where my clothes and shoes went) miles from home
I was in a pool hall harassing a Japanese couple to bet £100 i didn’t have on pool”
” Always make an educated choice – know the difference when your buying crack and crystal meths. Also its possible for dealers to pass of crank as strong crack.
Apologies for the scare mongering, however a good friend of mine has relapsed onto this shit and Ive never seen anyone go down so quick – pardon the pun.
I had smoked some a few months ago – unusually strong and kept me awake for ages for only a “pipes” worth – the bloke selling it died from septacemia (Blood poisening) – mainly from doing speedballs – (Crack and smack)”
“London dealers and ravers often claim their base (strong paste-like amfetamine sulphate) is “crystal meth” to make it sound “stronger””
“It just seemed like base but slightly stronger (I think that party went on for two days!). The chap who obtained it (who was one of the most hardcore caners I knew at the time) said he was frightened by its effects and refused to obtain or take any more.”
hi ellie
i have seen that drug pic on talk2frank,have u had a go,its realy quite mad….i know wot u mean by the 5yr thing,i 2 have tryed my fair share of the a,b,c’s.its all very frightning now….:crazy_diz :hopeless:
I am the Dog, The big bad Dog, The Bounty Hunter daam da da dam da da da darn raaa therse not a week go by whithout that tune being in my head for at least a day duda!
Ive tried it in brum and thought it was quite nice and clean, don’t plan to do it again cause its defo got addictive propoties/ effects.
Really….what was it like?
Not that I plan on doing it, but you hear so much oof the negative stuff from the media, would be intresting to hear it from the users side!
xxxx
Well I had already ate a few pills when I brought it so I carnt really say to much but i was told to bomb it, just a few little rocks to a bomb. I had about three over the course of the night. It made me chuck up as i came up and just felt like really clean strong base and it reminded of crack a bit but that might of been cause the look identical. Kept me going till the next evening and didnt keep me awake for days either, but i did have some K that second evening which might of effected that a bit. Great weekend :crazy_diz
Obviously not the same as the smokable variety in these parts(S E asia) just sounds like you had strong base.
No mate, it was methamphet. It looked smokable too.
Would it work though as you would be getting hooked on something that and you dont even realsie what it is?
You can get hooked without realising ur on anything (patients in h’tal and morphine etc, babies in the womb with mums on drugs)
Gald to hear you don’t spend all your day at work reading PV stuff! Tsk tsk 😉 😉 😉
someone has been selling meth as mad in exeter recently :crazy_fre
some pretty unhappy customers :annoyed:
meth is available on prescription in america in low doses as an ADD or ADHD medication. clever ppl over in the US int they lol. i believe this is the case anyway…… might be wrong
Don’t think meth is – you are maybe mistaking it with dex-amfetamine (dexies) which is a prescription drug for ADD in the US and here (meth-amfetamine is also called methidrine – dex-amfetamine sometimes dexidrine.)
Here is some extra info, as there seems to be some confusion as to what meth is or is not:
Crystal meth is usually one of the stereoisomers of methamphetamine hydrochloride (n-methamphetamine, d-methamphetamine, n-isomethamphetamine, and d-isomethamphetamine), and is often referred to as “crystal” or “crystal meth”, “ice”, occasionally “methidrine”, and lots of other confusing names. It is a clear crystalline solid.
The freebase form of meth (also sometimes known as “ice”, “crystal” etc) is without a salt base, and is (AFAIK) a yellowish/orange crystalline substance (it is sometimes mistakenly described as a yellowish oil – possibly due to a common production technique dissolving the freebase in ether prior to turning it into the salt)
Most of the problem (not caused by lack of info) with meth in the states stems from the fact they made the precursor chemicals needed to make amp-sulf illegal in the US (principally N-butylamine). The result was “bedroom chemists” looking for other ways to synthesize speed, and coming across a method that can be used to create meth (based on a reduction of pseudoephidrine with hydroiodic acid) – this creates the D-methylated version – d-methamphetamine hydrochloride (the D form is generally considered to be the strongest of the different stereoisomers).
The main overdose risk stems from the strength more than anything – those who die from amphetamine toxicity usually do so because they push their body for too long while bombarding it with diuretics that stop it from de-toxing properly. Coupled with the constriction of blood flow that is also a result of taking stimulants, the kidneys eventually cease to be able to cope with the load – the eventual outcome being large scale organ failure.
With the weaker unmethylated version (amp sulf), the general wear inflicted on the body usually causes you to stop well before the toxicity point (amphetamine sulfate is often considered more “taxing” on the body than meth). With the stronger methylated version, you can go right through the toxicity point, and not even notice – this coupled with the more extreme effect (in terms of vaso-constriction and diuresis) probably accounts for the higher mortality rate. Like anything, it is easier to get the dose wrong if the dose required is smaller (you can die from drinking whisky, but doing it with lager is much more difficult)….
The freebase form (the one you smoke) is similar to the hydrochloride form (most street meth is methamphetamine hydrochloride), but without the last stage of production performed. If you were to smoke the salt form (hydrochloride, sulfate etc), first it wouldn’t work very well (as the molecule would be broken down into CO2 by the combustion process), and it would be bad for your lungs (as the other by-product of combustion would be chlorine or sulfur based oxides). The freebase is a more stable molecule, and sublimes to smoke before it breaks down. The reason it is turned into the salt form is that the salt is better absorbed by the body, and can be dissolved into solution easily. The freebase is used obviously because smoking gets it into the body more quickly than other methods short of injection – similar to the case with coke and crack (crack is the freebase and smokable form of cocaine hydrochloride).
Meth AFAIK was originally synthesized in WWII as a cheaper way of providing the stimulants both sides made in huge quantities, and has AFAIK never had a medical use.
Meth is essentially the same as any other stimulant, and you should take the same precautions with all – Keep in mind that “stronger” is not the same as “better” though, but does often equate to more dangerous (and certainly does so with meth). If you are going to take it, start with a little (you can always take more, but taking less is difficult after the fact), and if you’ve been awake 5 days, it’s probably time to stop and let your body get some time to recover (no matter what it tells you about being able to go for another week:crazy:). Be aware of any of the signs of OD etc, and remember in the event something bad happens – get to a hospital quickly, and tell the doctor what you’ve taken. It may save your life, and you won’t get into any extra trouble for telling them (they’re under oath to keep it private, and you can’t be nicked for posession of something you’ve already taken in the UK anyway).
Well it seems this SHIT is taking over, I was told last week at my DDC that the fortnightly drug tests will now be testing for crystal meths!!
Would be pretty terrified if it somehow creeped into my wee!!!! teehee!!
Remember been told that I had fete in my sample, i was like eh??? How the feck has that happened, just goes to show you never 100% know what you’re taking!!
xxxx
Its really arrived now :you_crazy:you_crazy
Sorry l don’t see how you can fail to notice bits of skunk stems in your wrap of crystal meth.
Or, if you’re smoking a skunk spliff, surely you’d notice an unwholesome plasticky burning smell if someone had sprinkled crystals into it too? And if you didn’t roll the spliff yourself, you would only be having a small toke on it as it’s been passed your way. And wouldn’t you think it’s odd that, smoking your adulterated spliff, you suddenly feel like running up and down a flight of stairs, over and over again, or you just want to go nuts with an Uzi. Anyway, most of the base fumes would be wasted in clouds of ganja smoke wafting into the atmosphere, l can’t imagine how you could get a hit from a skunk plus meth spliff. Crystal meth aint cheap enough to waste like that, is it?
Maybe l’ve misunderstood something in the original quote…
Don’t think it will be a waste for the dealer , because he might get people hooked on Chrystal Meth..
Good business for him/her in the long run :you_crazy
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Speaking with my key worker about crystal meths and she told me that there are a few of her paitents and others that go to our DDC that take it, not addicted yet just recreational!
Anyway apparently there are a few ‘factories’ up in the north east & in Leeds, so yes it has arrived!
Crystal meths have been quite well documented in the media and so I hope this is enough to put people off, as it seems to be a soul destroying drug, worse then heroin?!
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