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Hey everyone!
I’ve been using this site for a long time as a reference for a project I’m doing – though realised I haven’t registered or made a post, so I decided it was about time.
For the last couple of months I’ve been working on a documentary on the free party movement and the subculture that surrounds it. It’s for my final major project for my BTEC national diploma at college.
I was gonna ask you guys if you could help me out a bit, with a few different bits and bobs. I know it’s my first post and I’m already asking you guys for help, but It seems like the best place to ask :bigsmile:
Anyways my major bonus question is if anyone has any DV footage of free parties and more importantly any controversial footage of party breakups etc. I know it’s a long shot but I thought I’d ask.
I’m also looking for newspaper clippings, news recordings, magazine articles and if anyone knows any references to rave culture in modern films it’d be really appreciated. I’ve looked all over the internet for scanned newspaper clippings but can’t find them anywhere!
I’m in the Suffolk/Norfolk area and I’m looking for people who might want to be interviewed too.
If anyone wants to donate any footage, photos etc then I’ll give them full credit and give them a bit of cash for their time. I am pretty much skint so I can’t promise much, though my deadline is looming and I’m pretty darn desperate.
Thanks in advance,
Henry
welcome to partyvibe Henry…
there are lots of East Anglia party clips on youtube (including footage of parties being shut down), but their presence and even projects like this are highly contentious.
Increasingly, evidence from onlookers’ videos has been used to convict people for obstructing the Police rather than to expose “police brutality”. the harsh fact is that a lot of non-participants often side with the Police or at least the concept of the Police being able to recover the “accepted” rights of a property owner against trespassers.
It might be worth quoting this fact as part of you project, to show how “free speech” is used against people..
try the network23 site (http://www.network23.org.uk) for old scans of original free party news article…
Thanks for the reply,
I have come across a lot of clips on YouTube but unfortunately they are of a far too low quality to include in my documentary. I can see how they are highly contentious, but surely they wouldn’t use it as evidence against people just going to the parties?
I can see how it could incriminate organisers and the like and I have no interest in incriminating anyone (quite the contrary actually).
I may include your free speech concept, do you mind if I quote you on that?
http://www.network23.org.uk is a brilliant resource! Thanks for the tip.
I have come across a lot of clips on YouTube but unfortunately they are of a far too low quality to include in my documentary. I can see how they are highly contentious, but surely they wouldn’t use it as evidence against people just going to the parties?
they have already done so – with both stills photos and videos. people have had to take down galleries of party photos from their websites
on our site you have probably seen the “Suffolk/Norfolk party” being shut down video.
The cops somehow managed to get youtube to hand over personal details of whoever put it there, he was traced to his home, his camera equipment and tapes confiscated (for months). This equipment was eventually returned in good condition, but peopel were identified, arrested and brought before Court because of this video.
every party is now treated as a “crime in progress” because they have mostly either been done without landowners’ permission or an entertainments license. For various reasons (perhaps because the free party scene was a victim of its own success in some areas) the authorities are increasingly using every method they can to bring people to account for putting on these parties, so circulating a video of a rave is actually tantamount to admitting to crime.
BTW in your college there may well be serving or probationary cops – not doing anything “undercover” or sinster, just there as students, but they are cops and if they hear about things like this it will make them curious.
If you are going to use any free party footage mix it all together and learn how to use video and audio filters to protect sources and identities like on other investigative documentary projects.
I may include your free speech concept, do you mind if I quote you on that?
by all means do so, I think its something people aren’t that aware of.
”xxxxxx xxxxxx 21, of Barnham Broom Road, Wymondham, was seen holding a bottle near to the disturbance, which was captured on video by both onlookers and scenes of crimes officers.”
this person who was ‘just holding a bottle’ at an illegal event was given a conditional discharge of two years
(i know names are named in the report but i didnt feel it was right to put the name up)
I know this guy I think. I have been in contact with him through YouTube and he offered to lend me the original DV tapes for my documentary (I am presuming it is the user Ketium). He went into detail about how the police trashed his place. I would quote his message but I don’t think that would be wholly appropriate.
I understand your comment about undercover police in my educational establishment – but I most probably will release the documentary on YouTube as well, so I would obviously have to enforce some sort of anonymity[FONT="]. By law (and to pass the project) I need participant release forms in order to include people in my documentary without anonymity.
I am familiar with timelapsing and special effects for the parties themselves and plan to use anonmysing techniques for certain interviews and footage I obtain.
I’ve managed to hunt down a load of newspaper clippings now. Your link has been most useful.
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since the norfolk/suffolk party video and the Court case is now public knowledge anyway if the guy is happy to allow it to be used sounds like a good plan, it shows the rest of society just how entrenched views are getting and at the same time doesn’t give the feds anything they don’t already know.
Another thing to beware of is that the poxy UK Garage/grime lot have poisoned the well by making so called “documentaries/music videos” showing people actually doing crime including fairly violent stuff (a bit like happy slapping set to music) so the cops now feel even more justified in “limiting free speech” by leaning on film makers a bit.
try to make what you produce come across as positive, without obviously spinning it or covering up the real issues (such as problems with noise and litter)…
Another thing to beware of is that the poxy UK Garage/grime lot have poisoned the well by making so called “documentaries/music videos” showing people actually doing crime including fairly violent stuff (a bit like happy slapping set to music) so the cops now feel even more justified in “limiting free speech” by leaning on film makers a bit.
try to make what you produce come across as positive, without obviously spinning it or covering up the real issues (such as problems with noise and litter)…
I want to give the appearance of a balanced argument, whilst casting a positive light on the rave scene.
The problem I seem to be facing is that the Police are a lot more keen to voice their opinion, than the ravers and party organisers. I suppose it’s kinda obvious, but I’m facing such a one sided argument. Luckily I know quite a few small organisers and have lots of friends with opinions, so it shouldn’t be too much of an issue.
The problem I seem to be facing is that the Police are a lot more keen to voice their opinion, than the ravers and party organisers. I suppose it’s kinda obvious, but I’m facing such a one sided argument. Luckily I know quite a few small organisers and have lots of friends with opinions, so it shouldn’t be too much of an issue.
Security and paranoia are obviously one thing making people hold back, but realistically if you want to be “balanced” there is a massive counter-argument against raves which is why things are stacked (no pun intended) against ravers.
They haven’t really got the moral high ground to start with.
Other than at Thetford Forest where it can be argued that ultimately the area is owned by all British taxpayers, most raves in East Anglia appear to take place on privately owned land and farm buildings.
In many cases this land appears to be in active use by a farmer, rather than abandoned or disused areas or commons.
Often when raves happen there is an amount of needless vandalism and even theft from surrounding areas, plus a lot of litter. Much of the litter is picked up, but some is always left behind.
(This isn’t of course confined to East Anglia, it happens in other parts of the UK and is a reason for the clampdowns in SE England a few years ago).
So the counterargument is why should farmers etc have to put up with people taking over their private property without permission or payment, and causing disruption and damage?
That said a bit of extra effort with regard to venue choices and better behaviour from some of the ravers might reduce the damage here, and TBH if the “right” bits of areas are partied (avoiding the tourist areas, nature reserves and areas near villages) and raves don’t become excessive in size and duration and are tidied up afterward, they cause little real disruption – no worse than many other summer outdoor activities.
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