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I’m new to this site, so may have missed relevant thread. However there are two Downing Street E-petitions currently active asking for the right to hold free parties.
In case you’re not aware they need at least 200 signatures to make someone take notice.
Theres also a couple of anti-peadophile law ones going.
If the link does’nt work let me know.
I don’t trust that e-petitions site one bit.. its done to make you think you have a say, but the Government holds the power still when all is said and done.
Of course people can put in fake details but this can then be used to dismiss the petition as untrustworthy, so the bulk of people signing these things tend to put in their real names and details.
The Police have always taken details of anyone who signs a petition against the govt or takes part in any form of direct action.
OK we don’t (yet) live in a totally controlled state so 90% of the time they put a name on file and did absolutely jack shit else with the details and this is still the case today.
but technology and surveillance has greatly advanced.
“back in the day” Special Branch had to manually obtain and photocopy petitions and then decipher peoples handwriting to work out who was daring to publically disagree with those in power.
nowadays the petition website provides a ready made, computer formatted list of names which can be copied to another computer file, and then run through the Police computers to find out who the hardcore activists are, and whether any of the petitioners are or have been involved in crime or extremism
This can either be used to rubbish their campaign (perhaps by dragging up old media reports on Court cases), to disrupt their activities, or even act as a “trigger point” to make cops scrutinise someone a bit more closely and in extreme cases (such as if they are currently involved in crime) to arrest them!
there is no law against wanting to attend a free outdoor party, or wanting to organise one. If youre paranoid use a proxy email ddress like hotmail. It’s the numbers that count.
example ‘stop proposed restrictions regarding photography in public places has 67,154 signatures’. Have you’ve seen the pepper spray party video on yt? . Raves petition 83. I reckon we can manage a few more than that.
over a million people signed that anti-road pricing petition, and all they got was an e-mail from Blair saying “thanks for signing but I don’t agree with you and will carry on regardless.” Now the plans for road pricing (at least the prepatory work) have already started to be implemented.
If Cameron gets in at the next election its wholly possible the e-petitions site will be dumped anyway to “save public sector costs”.
yes, and I’ve met the chap who got caught up in it and many of his friends.
All that happened because of the camera operators “citizen journalism” is that youtube handed over his personal details to the Police, who seized his camera equipment, all his tapes of other raves and used this to glean more evidence and arrest more people.
Realistically, no one is ever going to be “allowed” to just set up anywhere and override someones rights to their private property (such as farmers).
I do however think there is a case for low cost, lightly regulated rave events held in “tolerated areas”, perhaps already public spaces that Defra and Forestry commission manage. The British environment ministries weren’t that bothered about raves until 2006, and this was only really because of lack of sanitation and rubbish being allowed to build up on site.
But the way foward to eventually achieve this will more likely be “grass roots local action” by engaging with and getting the support of non-ravers living in local areas rather then e-petitions – ravers are only a small and noisy minority within the population of the UK (if everyone who went to an unlicensed rave this year signed, you’d maybe get 5000-7000 signatures. )
Even if we had “tolerated rave areas”, there would be the issue of stopping the more financially motivated drug dealing networks from taking over control of these events, perhaps with violence
Plus travellers may to use them as long-term sites due to a lack of other suitable sites elsewhere – so they would still have to be kept relatively small (500-1000 people) and have defined start/finish time to stop this happening.
you can already put on a legal event for £21 on an area where you have permission, albeit after doing a fair bit of paperwork – and apparently in France some areas of the country allow raves of up to 500 people just after telling the Council and cops where the event is.
over a million people signed that anti-road pricing petition, and all they got was an e-mail from Blair saying “thanks for signing but I don’t agree with you and will carry on regardless.” Now the plans for road pricing (at least the prepatory work) have already started to be implemented.
If Cameron gets in at the next election its wholly possible the e-petitions site will be dumped anyway to “save public sector costs”.
All that happened because of the camera operators “citizen journalism” is that youtube handed over his personal details to the Police, who seized his camera equipment, all his tapes of other raves and used this to glean more evidence and arrest more people.
Realistically, no one is ever going to be “allowed” to just set up anywhere and override someones rights to their private property (such as farmers).
I do however think there is a case for low cost, lightly regulated rave events held in “tolerated areas”, perhaps already public spaces that Defra and Forestry commission manage. The British environment ministries weren’t that bothered about raves until 2006, and this was only really because of lack of sanitation and rubbish being allowed to build up on site.
But the way foward to eventually achieve this will more likely be “grass roots local action” by engaging with and getting the support of non-ravers living in local areas rather then e-petitions – ravers are only a small and noisy minority within the population of the UK (if everyone who went to an unlicensed rave this year signed, you’d maybe get 5000-7000 signatures. )
Even if we had “tolerated rave areas”, there would be the issue of stopping the more financially motivated drug dealing networks from taking over control of these events, perhaps with violence
Plus travellers may to use them as long-term sites due to a lack of other suitable sites elsewhere – so they would still have to be kept relatively small (500-1000 people) and have defined start/finish time to stop this happening.
you can already put on a legal event for £21 on an area where you have permission, albeit after doing a fair bit of paperwork – and apparently in France some areas of the country allow raves of up to 500 people just after telling the Council and cops where the event is.
Sometimes l think the only ppl that are holding raves and the party scene back are the ones that yamp on and on about your family’s and friends’ and pets’ names going on police database and ultimately to some bizarre mis-shapen horned Overlord who does not want anyone to be happy.
once again, you have not bothered to read the whole post; all I’m saying is that this petition isn’t one of the best ways of dealing with the problem.
fair enough if you don’t want to discuss the serious issues on here you don’t have to, although in other posts you come across as intelligent and perfectly capable of reading longer posts..
I never said there was a major risk from signing the petition, merely that it is unlikely to achieve very much positive. Burying bad news and isn’t going to help anybody (particularly when ravers at outdoor parties can’t even bury their shit, which is one big reason why there has been such a clampdown in the first place).
When did you last attend a free party?
Do you hold free parties on a regular basis?
fair enough if you don’t want to discuss the serious issues on here you don’t have to, although in other posts you come across as intelligent and perfectly capable of reading longer posts..
I never said there was a major risk from signing the petition, merely that it is unlikely to achieve very much positive. Burying bad news and isn’t going to help anybody (particularly when ravers at outdoor parties can’t even bury their shit, which is one big reason why there has been such a clampdown in the first place).
When did you last attend a free party?
m8 i honestly don’t have the concentration power to read everything being typed these days.
Well if i did i wouldn’t be skankin around on ere. Anyway, l don’t see what my leisure arrangements have to do with the matter in hand!
why?
lots of people do help put on free parties and are on here and have been here for years, thats what this site is for.
They don’t openly brag any more about exactly what they do for obvious reasons so as not to incriminate themselves (especially after people on another forum actually got ASBOs because of this) but the reason the news isn’t always fluffy is because of us relating exactly what they have experienced
I can understand it if you don’t want to discuss “serious stuff” but if you just want a fun night night out without too much thinking to do or worrying about the wider picture you might be better off looking here..
lots of people do help put on free parties and are on here and have been here for years, thats what this site is for.
They don’t openly brag any more about exactly what they do for obvious reasons so as not to incriminate themselves (especially after people on another forum actually got ASBOs because of this) but the reason the news isn’t always fluffy is because of us relating exactly what they have experienced
I can understand it if you don’t want to discuss “serious stuff” but if you just want a fun night night out without too much thinking to do or worrying about the wider picture you might be better off looking here..
Raaas, l was just saying it’s depressing hearing about the OB clampdowns all the time, is this the “vibe”? Anyway, you yourself did point out that ppl can pay for permissions, and that makes the whole thing sweet.
As for petitions, you seem to be suggesting that you better not sign any petitions. However, if you don’t want democracy then you’re not going to have it. That’s a fact! :weee:
So hows about nicin’ up the area and supporting ways of improving things innit.
no, I am suggesting that the “electronic petition” site isn’t that effective and is more a Government publicity stunt than anything.
Normal paper petitions like the ones we had in the 80s and 90s are still as effective as they ever could be
thats exactly what a lot of other threads on here are about and people are trying to do, but its happening a bit too slowly.
Bear in mind we have been getting away with these events for as long as some of the people posting on here have been alive, and not everyone in the rest of society agrees with this.
if you are really getting depressed by what appears to be a lack of “fun” in your area did you look at the link I put in my last reply? OK they are legal events but there seems to be a lot going on in your area (way more compared to mine!). I doubt all of them will have heavy entry prices or oppressive searches, so why not check one out and have a bit of a laugh tonight, maybe also you might meet some people who can help you find some more parties or help you set up the one you talked about doing in another post?
So you have first hand experience of the OB problems? or are just annoyed because we are discussing the truth as it affects us all and that makes you grumpy because it is not all sweetness and love?
There is always a risk as the organiser of a party of losing all their equipment and ending up in jail – would you rather we pretended that this was not the case?
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