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  • at the weekend was speaking to people who had been involved in this years euro-teknivals, and have connections with the French crews.

    the current news from FR is that the chenille-tek caused such a hassle and extra cost to the public services (thanks to “green” politicians covering up a danger from caterpillars!) that it is far less likely large events of this nature will be permitted again.

    FR Teknivals were never accepted by the locals anyway; it appears that due to the machinery of government in that country the central govt (at the time swayed by ravers) simply imposed the event on the local area in spite of any protests from the locals.

    at election time, this resulted in a change of government to a conservative one more sympathetic to the locals (farmers have more clout in France!)

    there are also long-standing problems with pollution and violence (rapes, beatings) at large events worldwide (unlicensed or otherwise). Its simple group dynamics; large male-dominated groups from different areas can often find something to fight about, even in nice surroundings (look at AU for instance)!

    But our French friends mentioned a new law was introduced; where any rave with less than 500 people which does not cause health/safety problems and is held with permission of land managers is permitted without excessive bureaucracy!

    a similar (although more bureaucratic) scheme is supposedly in operation for the UK – in CZ (albeit after a riot, injuries and deaths) small scale events are also permitted.

    New EU entrants are cautiously accepting teknivals, but have found in some cases that local criminals (NOT linked to the event!) took advantage of these events to commit crime.

    This looks like a small bit of progress on our part; a grudging acceptance that there is a need for low-cost events and the current licensing system is skewed towards “big money” enterprises such as nightclubs which actually attract organised crime because of the high entry cost/high-risk nature of the events – “free parties” are clearly the least of many evils even to those who do not like our scene!

    I still am concerned though as the Scandinavian countries and some of the new entrant nations are determined to clamp down on drug use and are doing so by restricting the associated culture; with some success.

    Socially conservative attitudes from the East (not just Islam!) are also starting to gain credence with conservatives in Europe – businessmen look enviously at “hard working Asians” making their countries into new global superpowers and wish the EU youth were a bit more hard working and less hedonistic.

    So its still very much a matter of people like us making a social case across the EU for these events to continue, and that will require greater maturity and equality amongst our community…

    a similar (although more bureaucratic) scheme is supposedly in operation for the UK

    what is this scheme? not PEL, surely?

    So its still very much a matter of people like us making a social case across the EU for these events to continue, and that will require greater maturity and equality amongst our community…

    well said :horay:

    globalloon wrote:
    what is this scheme? not PEL, surely?

    its very similar to the TENS (Temporary Event Notice System) the UK now has.

    I will have to ask my French friends for more detail (and when they are not full of donkey dust!) but the jist of it is that the organisers notify the Police of the location the event is to be held in, and show proof the land manager has consented. I would expect the cops could object if there is any major safety hazard.

    Organisers can then hold an event there for up to 4 days; but they are identifiable and can thus be held accountable under both civil and criminal juridisdictions for whatever happens during this event, so there is an obvious incentive to eliminate problems such as violence and pollution.

    Incidentally despite differences over EU budgets, London and Paris are very close when it comes to law enforcement; the French anti-rave laws are an exact translation of Britains CJA.

    he informed you good !!

    the governemnt invent this new opportunity due the pressure the teknivals gave them. ( threfore they were done – surely not cause a 90 000 peopleevent is such a nice thing )

    with this pressure they caused sarkozy to act in this way, even thou he also expected to win a huge ammount of young voters, which he counted surely worng, but thats another thing.

    apparently we tried it by our own and it works. if now you want to do a little free until about 500 people you just get a decent place, call the police, tel them where it is , who you are and tahts it. tehy wil surely pop up and check.

    by conversation with the police :
    “i am doing a party in …… ,my name is…..! we will not be more than about 400 – max 500 people….”
    ” ah well, that alrite, give me your number of telephone, take care, lookt he people dont get off when to much drunken and they have to park in a good way. wish you fun. we may come across to see if all is fine. if you have any problems with people who riot, call us !!!”

    i could not believe that really. they poped up, checked the amount of people etc, wished a ncie night and went off !!!

    this surely is really much depending on the prefecture !!
    where i lived the polive is quiet relaxed n easy. in bretgne they are cunts and even thou there is the law, the crews have problems with police chekcing for durgs, giving fines for pariking and genereally show them: we dont want you here !!!!

    really depending on the area wher you do it.

    but the ver ygood thing is that they cant confiscate your stuff or give you a fines for organising a illegal event !!

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