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Heh city bwwwwwoy, thats just the kind of attitude that gives the party scene a bad name. Yes I agree with you, you shouldn’t lock up the countryside, it is there for us all to enjoy and was there long before man walked this earth so how anyone can claim to owning any of it is beyond me.
We evidently don’t all come from the same walks of life or have had the same experiences in life but if everyone worked together more to come to an agreement instead of taking sides and being narrow minded then a lot of good could happen and maybe one day man can party in the countryside again with no hassle.
I think those four words, PEACE LOVE UNITY AND RESPECT go along way if applied to every aspect of life!
Sadly no we can’t. Hit and run parties are all we can ever do. If you want to get in bed with land owners that’s upto you, but you all risk the full force of the new PEL.
There is no place in south east england where you can party without upsetting someone, that’s just how things are in our crowded land. Free parties have been going on so long now and the only attempts to get along with land owners have failed miserably.
When all is said and done, the land owners are the monied elite who run the country and they will never freely allow us to party without payment to them and their crappy system.
There’s no point in even trying to get along with these people, they will never understand.
Just look at the Bedford duke and the Cardigan earl for prime examples of cunts who toy with counter culture only run bitye hard at it when they realise that they can’t make money out of it and that their monied mates don’t approve.
Sorry to sound aggressive to woodsman, but his ilke have been offering phoney olive branches for years, but in reality there is nothing that they can offer and I get pissed off at their righteousness in believing that they are something special and that we can work together, it’s all so much hot air.
the people who suggested the meeting are aware of that.
TBH I cannot blame society as a whole for insisting on PELs after the dark things I have seen happen when so called “self regulating groups” get together.
Its not the ideal solution by any means but we’ve had 14 years to prove ourselves and haven’t done it.
There is no place in south east england where you can party without upsetting someone, that’s just how things are in our crowded land. Free parties have been going on so long now and the only attempts to get along with land owners have failed miserably.[/quote]
large scale ones – yes (viz glastonbury, reading and the scumfests they have turned into)
but others have mentioned small scale agreements which worked until one crew decided to overwhelm things and take the piss.
Quote:When all is said and done, the land owners are the monied elite who run the country and they will never freely allow us to party without payment to them and their crappy system.
its unfortunately a crappy system that has been built up over hundreds of years because those who run it are quite simply better organised and more united than we are or ever have been.
I’ve been mentioning since 2001 the problems about violence and damage on our scene, yet people haven’t done enought about these problems and its getting worse.
how do you explain the French situation, where they got rid of their royal families/lords etc hundreds of years ago and now the Greens oppose the few legal raves and had a big hand in stopping the others? The glib answer that “they are snail-eating French” and other jingoistic crap isn’t good enough. This could happen here even in an “ideal” situation (like the Greens becoming UK Governemnt) if we are not careful.
why should they at the moment? all they see are blocked roads and fields filled with human shit.
Just look at the Bedford duke and the Cardigan earl for prime examples of cunts who toy with counter culture only run bitye hard at it when they realise that they can’t make money out of it and that their monied mates don’t approve.
yes, Cardigan got bullied by his mates after complaining about the beanfield and caved in, but the fuckups over the Exodus festival were as much due to the Exodus “collectives” own internal divisions. some of the things they did under the collective name were as bad if not worse than any lord or duke.
Bear in mind I know stacks of people from that area who have told me the truth over the years
I don’t think the meeting would do much other than give a better knowledge of rural places to avoid and how to choose venues where events may not be noticed, (and obviously not in this chaps area!) maybe he may help organise a small scale festival like the guildford ambient or similar type event
that’s as good as it will ever get. The so called “free party counterculture” just hasn’t got the unity or the organisation skills to do anything further at the moment, and because by its nature it resists “organisation” what power it has is sometimes dissipated amongst itself without anything constructive resulting (the tyrannny of structurelessness).
if there isn’t even the attempt to reach some common ground then the only alternative is further conflict, and you know yourself from personal experience its not a conflict you will win, unless you become more and more willing to use violence and to drag other party people into that violence without their knowledge or approval.
I sometimes wonder if there are people who enjoy conflict in life, and they use the raves as their fighting ground…. (have a look at my other threads on increasing violence at raves….)
just for the record… Ambient Picnic?
There’s no point in even trying to get along with these people, they will never understand.
your defeatist and narrow-minded attitude won’t get you anywhere :bad_idea:
what are you on about “something special”??? the guy came here, to an open forum, to offer his opinion on what is wrong with parties… and he seems to have been open-minded and civil enough to listen
I agree with NRG boy that your attitude is is bad for the reputation of all the people who make a massive effort to keep any damage or disruption to a minimum
IMO
Right – I seem to have stirred up some strong feelings, especially with CB. Perhaps he was one of the people who organised this event? If that is the case, then I hope that you take something away from this, other than offence at me being here. I didn’t come here to tell you all that I’m better because I live in the counrtyside, to discuss the flight path at heathrow, to debate whether or not Forestry Commission land should be open to all nor do I want this to turn into some sort of percieved class debate.
I originally came on here to make my feelings known, and have been pleasantly suprised by the people I have spoken with. I had you guys down as militant, lefty bus driving nutters with dreads who don’t give a toss about anyone else as long as you get to have a party, and I am happy to admit I was wrong. So far I have spoken with about 6 people, all of whom have been sensible and measured in thier opinons and how they expressed themselves.
Except you, and I feel the need to examine your points a little more carefully. You disagree that hundreds of people were kept up. Well, I could clearly hear that music, at 0300H 8 miles away. If you want I’ll post a link to multimap and show you. As you state, this is a crowded area of the country, so by your logic there are not hundreds of people living in the 200sq mile area over which your music coud be heard. I think not. There are 700 people in my village alone. As for the duration of the party, I’m sure there are people here who are able to confirm that.
Your second point, “Forgive me for being a dumbo from da city, but please explain how the fuck a poxy lock is going to stop a poacher, illegal camping, fire, litter, wood theft, scrambler bikes or raves”. The gate in question has a large steel barrier, fitted onto steel posts sunk into concrete, and is the only method of getting a vehicle into that area as the FC have dug large ditches in the area to prevent access. The gate acts both as a visual deterrent, alongside the PRIVATE signs, and stops any vehicle entering. As a result the scramblers go somewhere else, you can’t steal logs without a trailer and something to pull it with, and casual campers seem to understand the word ‘private’.
Those are fair enough, but Fuck private woods, the woods are woods, part of our planet, just cos some rich cunt’s claimed them as his doesn’t mean I have to go along with his shite is just not on. As much as you disagree with the system, that’s how it works. Those woods belong to someone else. There is a sign up saying private, and a big gate made of steel. That means you are not supposed to be there – it belongs to somone else. How would you feel if I drove my land rover through your front door, had a bbq in your bath and invited all my mates round, and refused to move when you asked me? Pretty hacked off I’d wager.
As for the rest of your post – I refuse to comment. I am open minded enough to listen to the other people on this board, but I will not be spoken to like that. If I am able to do anything to ease the tension between party goers and locals then I will. People like you are not helping. I’m not saying I am able to provide you with a great site whenever you want it with free booze, you know I can’t, but I’ll see if there is anything I can do to help find you better sites. If not, at least we tried.
WM
There’s no point in even trying to get along with these people, they will never understand.
City Bwoy, that is the same narrow minded view taken by those that are trying to stop our parties. We ALL need to make the effort to get along, parties are about understanding, fun, celebrating life and fkin avin it to quality music and we should be promoting that, not taking a militant stance.
I’d rather live my life trying and getting no where than just accepting that nothing can be done to improve matters and making them worse. But that is my opinion and you have voiced yours. But i think as soon as you start swearing at someone and not listening to their points of view you have all ready lost the argument
Nope not this time.
And you’re saying that these hundreds of people got no sleep. I say that you are talking utter shite.
What I was getting at is that a poxy gate doesn’t stop determined people gaining access, as was shown at the weekend.
I’d just love to see you drive you car up 4 flights of stairs mate.
Besides my house is the home in which I live. Does the so called owner of the woods live there? Nope, he’s just claimed them as his own, them having been stolen long ago.
OK you go ahead and help people find other sites. If my rig ever gets busted on one of these sites, I’ll grass you for conspiracy.
Like fuck you’re going to, or are able to assist.
And is that a free party or an afternoon in the park.
Neither will toadying to the aristos. At least my virtue remains intact.
I agree with NRG boy that your attitude is is bad for the reputation of all the people who make a massive effort to keep any damage or disruption to a minimum
IMO
No the bloke came on here to whinge and moan about a party. He’s listened for sure, but still feels:
A. Parties shoulnd’t be on private land. Show me a square inch of England that isn’t owned by some cunt or other.
B. That parties shouldn’t disturb anybody. Show me a site in SE England where they won’t.
C. That he’s got something to offer gfree party organisers. No he’s just deluded and taken in by your flattery.
Just so you know, whenever I party we make a massive effort to clean up and chose sites of lest disruption. I’m just sick and tired of pompous cunts who think that they’re the only ones who have a right to use the countryside and that their activity is the only one that benefits the countryside and all other activities are damaging to it.
I’d like to add a different perspective from a raver at this rave. I was at this Free Party near houghton hall. Firstly i know the crews (There was 2 sound systems) and there is no way any mess was left as i with many others helped clear it up the day after. Secondly the atmosphere there was amazing everybody chillin on the same level babblin rubbish to anyone, if you where asked to leave this was not by a raver. The owner/Farmer had blocked the entrance with his 4×4, at the beginning of the night, the convoy managed to get through before he could block it off, eventually he managed. At which point ravers found alternate routes (mainly straight across a field) to get to the party. He soon gave in an by 4 in the mornin people where gettin in no probs. As for the noise we where deep in a wood with trees for at least a mile square, about 5 houses in close proximety to the sound system, so i find it very hard to beleive it kept you up all night espeically considerin the music didn’t start until late, about 3 was when they turned it up.
Like fuck you’re going to, or are able to assist.
mate
you really aren’t helping :shy:
you’re entitled to hold whatever view you want, but if you can’t comment constuctively or with some respect for the people you’re addressing, maybe you shouldn’t bother
Partyvibe is a site which aims to promote PLUR
you really aren’t helping :shy:
you’re entitled to hold whatever view you want, but if you can’t comment constuctively or with some respect for the people you’re addressing, maybe you shouldn’t bother
Partyvibe is a site which aims to promote PLUR
I show respect where it’s due and IMHO woodsman hasn’t earned any from me.
PLUR died in 1994. Michale Howard killed it. Blunkett dug up the body in 2004 and shat in it’s mouth.
AFAIK its a bit bigger that year.. it also shows a lot of the more constructive side of party culture, rather than the dysfunctional ketamine swilling bozos that they are normally portrayed as.
Woodsman may have exaggerated some of the problems, but we play down the problems unlicensed events do cause (and wonder why the authorities keep mentioning PELs).
virtue? WTF is virtuous about unlicensed free parties apart from slightly less organised crime and violence? [and even that is debatable nowadays?]
I’m not saying these events aren’t fun (obviously they are) but they do have problems which many sweep under the carpet and these problems aren’t being addressed quickly enough. As they stand, all some are doing is passing some of the costs of an event back to the public purse.
Its not just aristos who have been pissed off by “free” parties, one of those that caused the most backlash in our area was in one of the roughest working class areas of Reading that exist – and although its hindsight its clear that was too much, too long, too loud. People our age were turning the event into the cops because their children could not sleep.
maybe so, but its still not good enough for the rest of society.
Remember that we are a minority of people in society – we don’t even yet have the clout of the ethnic minorities who have done positive work for this countries society.
Woodsman’s work, for all the of the class structure etc has (originally) brought stuff like food to the table, building materials, a habitat for nature (even though some of it gets shot at!) etc.
Essential stuff for life, not just hedonism.
it may seem a bit anachronistic in the days of convenience stores but if food and materials came from these places rather than transported in it could ultimately be better for the environment.
Even legal shooting doesn’t seem to put quite many people in ambulances as the last set of parties that have happened…. and its done via a licensing process (otherwise we’d have “bowling for columbine” situations like the USA – can you imagine a ridgeway party where people had real guns and there was a dispute?)
I know many of us all have normal jobs etc but so do many others and they don’t break into places and keep people awake at night.
Forget the class war etc for a moment – about 60% of the people on the party scene are otherwise happy with their lot and don’t want a revolution provided they can party, and the rest haven’t got a clue on how to positively change things and just really want hedonism and don’t care about anything else.
Before we have can claim any “moral right” to do what we do, things need to get better and they must get better, and it needs to happen quicker instead of just whinging back.
I will say though I don’t think Woodsman can do anything other than explain other uses of the countryside (which not everyone is aware of), and perhaps encourage better choice of venues. He would not be able to help anyone organise an event in his area, as the PEL costs would normally be excessive (its a non-refundable fee to the council) and I would suggest he does not try to – its not worth the hassle. It may however be worth at least Woodsman and everyone else investigating what is involved, if only to see why these events happen because the regulations to do it “by proper channels” are overly restrictive.
But positive change would require 3 separate government departments to work together, and HM Treasury to change the instructions to councils that such services as licensing, pest control and refuse collection are “potential revenue generators”. In the present climate this isn’t going to happen quickly, if at all.
:lol_teeth
i can’t take you seriously when you carry on like that :you_crazy
but no thanks to you
:hopeless: :crazy_dru
Ok, thats enough. I came here with a bee in my bonnet about being kept awake and was looking to take it out on someone. Since then I’ve been suprised by the reception I had, but you CB, are taking the piss mate. I’m not an aristocrat by any strech, all I was considering was providing you guys with some guidance about where it may be possible to hold an event without massive inconvenience, which it appears you don’t give a toss about.
Your arguments are deeply flawed, your grammer is terrible, and you are exactly what I was expecting from posting here. A militant, narrow-minded fool, who brings everything back to a pseudo class-war, and how the countryside should belong to everyone. What the other, more realistic people here have realised is that you have to live in the real world. Woods do belong to people, and they are going to be pissed off when you have parties. Music is loud, and it will keep people up. Cutting locks off gates is illegal, and you shouldn’t be doing it.
USE, Global etc etc – thanks for your feedback, and I hope that my thoughts might have been some use. I am still considering trying to be some help, but this guy is quite clearly against the idea, and I don’t need the hassle of being mixed up with people that threaten me. I’ll be back, but if you know how to dig a static IP you can find me that way.
Messy – The music started earlier than that – around 2100H and continued through the night. I could still hear it while I was making breakfast. Admittedly I didn’t see all of the site, and there were people still there, so it is possible that all the mess I saw was cleaned up by those who were left. I still don’t think that you should have been putting the farmer in a position where he was forced to block off the wood, nor should you be going over his fields, but we’ve been through all that.
Laters,
WM
OK – this thread is now being closed. Everyone has had their say, and now all that’s happening is some views are being entrenched, although at least some positive discussion came out of it.
just because traffic is picking up here I don’t want this board becoming as dysfunctional as some others on the rave scene (or even the rave scene itself)
Some people will never agree, and its pointless just stirring up stuff, unless you do enjoy conflict and would like to see it eventually be “sorted out” by fist, boot, baseball bat, baton, bottle, petrol bomb, pistol and rifle…
but I’m sure most of you (woodsman included) do not…
City Bwoy – I don’t think you’re a bad guy but I can’t let you poison the well. You don’t have a right to threaten people on this board (even empty threats) even if they are not “normal” party people..
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