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This twat deserves a reality show. Just heard on the radio that he is ordering Venezuela to turn their clocks back one half hour because he doesnt want to use the standard time thrust upon his country by the evil imperialist Americans
Hugo Chavez is actually a brilliant socialist leader, we just only hear about the bad stuff because he uses the oil in his country to bring people out of poverty, unlike america which supports the model of the money staying in the hands of very few people who are mates with the government.
Here are some of his anti-poverty initiatives:
[107] the construction of thousands of free medical clinics for the poor,[108] the institution of educational campaigns that have reportedly made more than one million adult Venezuelans literate,[109] and the enactment of food[110] and housing subsidies.[111] The infant mortality rate fell by 18.2% between 1998 and 2006.[112][113] The government earmarked 44.6% of the 2007 budget for social investment, with 1999-2007 averaging 12.8% of GDP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#Impact_of_presidency
do you not think america is an evil imperialist nation? i thought it was clear from their recent actions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#Impact_of_presidency
do you not think america is an evil imperialist nation? i thought it was clear from their recent actions.
Thatโs what Iโve heard and read as wellโฆ
he subsidises public transport for people on low incomes in England
I think he is an amazing popular leader. some people (mostly US government and right wing media) say he is a dictator, but there has been no oppression under his rule.
one of the first things he changed when he won his first election was to allow freedom of speech!
he even let the military leaders who (supported by the CIA) carried out a coup against his presidency to go free
i like him
an eccentric fella but heโs got some great ideas
erm on the other hand he shut down every tv station that spoke ill of him and is apparently going to remove the term limit in venezuela so he can be president for ever. thatโs kinda f*ked up right there imo.
sure heโs doing good things for the people, but itโs mostly coming from oil money that is being so poorly managed that if oil prices drop the infrastructure will get hit so hard it will cripple the country for decades to come
both those things are false. Iโm guessing you are from USA? maybe you shouldnโt believe the media in your country
The network whose license was not renewed in 2006 had continually called for the assassination of Chavez. Do you think BBC, ITV or Channel 4 would have itโs license renewed if they called for assassination of Gordon Brown? Or any US network calling for the assassination of Bush?
The same TV stations worked with the military top brass and the CIA to support an illegal military coup against him.
When the elected government were able to retake their rightful position in the presidential palace, the network continued to refuse to broadcast this factโฆ (and prevented the state owned network from broadcasting)
The network broke Venezualan โlaw on social responsibility of radio and televisionโ. They are still widely available on cable and satellite in VZ, so this isnโt some crack-pot dictator stamping out dissent in the media
as far as removing the term-limit on his presidency, he has asked for this, but it hasnโt happened
do you think the price of oil is likely to dramatically drop any time soon? Iโm surprised you think heโs mismanaging the nations wealth; VZ pulled out of the IMF and world bank this year, having paid off itโs debts 5 years early, saving the country $8million
Compare that to the USA owing around US$30trillion to China, despite USA being an oil rich country and I think itโs clear who is mismanaging their economy
compared to many of the leaders they have had in that part of the world Chavez seems far from โcrazyโ.
In our โfree Westernโ countries journalists regularly get silenced by the manipulation of the so-called โfree marketโ, producers of overly controversial content find they just donโt get work any more. Without a revenue source to cover the production companies overheads, the risky content is simply no longer made.
The way this is done is perhaps even more devious than governments explicitly saying what is and isnโt permitted by broadcasters.
Great Britain has over the last 100 years or so experimented with several internal changes to time zones/summer time without any murmur (before standardising on the same changes as Europe).
A fair few other nations have 0.5 hour offsets in timezones. They arenโt โnormalโ as far as the Pentagon is concerned (the US Navy/NATO only accept 1 hour time zones) but India has a UTC+5.5 hour timezone and isnโt called โcrazyโฆโ
Tariq Ali on Hugo Chavez:
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2006/oct/video/dnB20061017a.rm&proto=rtsp&start=41:44
Chavez calls Bush the devil and quotes Chomsky at the United Nations:
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2006/sept/video/dnB20060921a.rm&proto=rtsp&start=12:52
Chomsky on From Bagdad to Bolivia:
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2007/jan/video/dnB20070101a.rm&proto=rtsp&start=
nah iโm from the uk ^^ (lol and pretty anti us trust me on that)
the assassination attempt i have little info about, would like to know more. But all I heard about was that they supported an attempted coup in 2002. That was a while ago though so couldnโt be the govโs reasoning for shutting it down.
as for managing the oil industry, also around 2002 he made a well documented shock-move of firing pretty much every expert from pdvsa (hmm first summary i could find from guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,680668,00.html) merely for holding labour strikes.
sure the balance of payments situation looks good, but once again thatโs all from windfall profits caused by high oil prices. whether or not they will fall is another debate, but imo he is riding off of that one industry whilst investing in it very poorly. i really think it will end badly
forgot to say of course he isnโt the worst/only person for whom i have dislike in that region. pinochet holds a similarly low view in my mind, although in a way you could say he ran his despotism in the polar opposite way.
nonetheless, i think there is nuff evidence that chavez is a despot; and despots always turn out horrible :/
can you show us any?
IMO trying to compare him to pinochet is nonsense.
pinochet came to power by force, killed thousands, exiled thousands more, orchestrated terrorist attacks killing his political opponents abroad and embezzled millions of pounds of public money
there has been no repression of Chavezโ political opponents. He came to power on a landslide democratic election. even the people who carried out the illegal military coup against him were allowed to walk free
as for managing the oil industry, also around 2002 he made a well documented shock-move of firing pretty much every expert from pdvsa (hmm first summary i could find from guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,680668,00.html) merely for holding labour strikes.
re: the oilstrikes.. they were also organised by the right wing oligarchs who were trying to destabilise his democratic socialist movement
the govt didnโt shut RCTV down. they refused to renew a terrestrial license because the network broke the law. similar laws on social responsibility exist in germany and scandinavian countriesโฆ itโs nothing radical or oppressive. RCTV still broadcast in VZ on satellite and cable.
a despot doesnโt have to use force. the only strict implication of despotism is a strong concentration of control/power. I am not calling chavez โevilโ, but am saying that the popularist way he is running his country is amounting to selling short his countryโs future to appeal to the here and now. re oil sector just google pdvsa+underinvestment.
and a strike is a strike; itโs not right to dismiss one for political reasons, especially if it meant that most of the skilled workforce in the oil sector has disappeared.
also i wasnโt comparing him to pinochet; i just wanted to dispel the idea that i didnโt support chavez just because he is left-wing.
Thereโs a good insight into Chavezโs governement and the coup against him in John Pilgerโs: the War on Democracyโฆ
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