[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Injecting Intravenous Drugs[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Just in case you’re not yet convinced, injecting anything into your body is a really bad idea.
I’ve chosen to remove both of my sons from national vaccination programs because I’m concerned about the potential for harm from any as-yet-unknown impact of introducing various vaccines directly into the body. A very good friend of mine suffered a horrendous infection of his right breast after a DIY nipple pierce (ouch!) introduced all kinds of nasties. My grandfather suffered MRSA infection after a triple bypass operation. It’s a buggy world we live in…
I can’t help but notice that lots of the people I know who do inject drugs suffer terribly with various skin, muscle, vein and other problems as a direct result of poor injecting technique.
If you’re going to inject the drugs you take, there are a few things I think you ought to know.
[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Why should you bother listening to this?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Well..because they people who helped to put these ideas together have been helping people just like you to stay on the safer side of injecting for a long time. ‘Safer’ may not sound like fun…but it can help you to stay on the planet a little longer, doing the things you enjoy doing. If you decide to follow any of the information here you are doing so at your own risk. Using drugs can be dangerous. Injecting drugs increases the risk.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Great. Do yourself a favour. Keep on not doing that. This information isn’t for you. Go back to our index and find something relevant to read. You deserve it!
[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Arteries and veins[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Arteries take blood away from the heart, pumping it round your body. The blood in your arteries is bright red because it contains a lot of Oxygen. Larger arteries – which supply your major organs – have a pulse.
Never inject into an artery. That is one of the few times I ever say never. Really. Just to make the point, I’ll say it three times…never. You could easily bleed to death, or lose a limb. If you hit an artery the plunger on the syringe would be pushed back by the pressure, and the blood would be bright red, and frothy.
If you hit an artery (accidentally, obviously) immediately pull out the needle, remove any tourniquet and apply pressure for at least 15 minutes, until it stops bleeding.
If you are reading this, looking at your watch and panicking, don’t panic. If it has already been bleeding for 15 minutes it means you need medical attention. Keep applying pressure. Get yourself to the nearest hospital providing an emergency service. Keep applying pressure. If you need to call an ambulance, then do it, now.
Veins carry blood back to the heart. The blood in is a dark red colour, almost purple. Veins do not have a pulse.
Most people find the veins in their arms are the easiest to inject into. There are several ways to raise these veins:
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]People use tourniquets to ensure a vein is full of blood. If a tourniquet is too tight the vein will not fill with blood. Use a tourniquet that can be easily released.
Alternate injecting sites. Using the same vein every time will cause scarring and other damage. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Needles and syringes[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is one golden rule about choosing the right needle and syringe – use the smallest size possible. Larger needles cause more damage.
The thickness of the needle is colour-coded:
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The 1 ml ‘all-in-one’ insulin syringes have a fine point. They’re useful for skin popping, and for the small veins of your hands, fingers or feet. An orange needle will cope with surface veins. For deep veins you will need a bigger needle. For injecting into a muscle use a long blue or green needle.
[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Preparing the injection[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Anything that has any amount of blood on it or in it can pass on viruses like HIV and Hepatitis B and C.
If you want to make sure you’re protecting yourself (and other people) you need to keep everything clean. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you’re using heroin you’ll need to add a little acid to the hit to dissolve the heroin. Add as little as possible of citric acid or vitamin C powder. Lemon juice or vinegar will do the job, but can cause fungal infections. Keep them in the cupboard or on your chips, and well away from your hit.
Even if the solution bubbles in the spoon, it’s not sterile and it could still contain viruses.
Take the new, sterile syringe and needle out of the sealed packet. If you really do not have access to a new, sterile syringe and needle, you will need to clean whatever equipment is available to you. You will need to use a household bleach and clean water. Draw up the bleach, and then push it back through the syringe into an empty cup. Repeat two or three times, then rinse out with cold water in the same way, again, two or three times. This may not completely remove Hepatitis B if the equipment has already been used by an infected person.
Draw up the liquid through the filter into the syringe. Make sure there are no bubbles in the syringe. Tap the barrel and push the plunger up until a tiny drop of the liquid appears at the end. Let the mixture cool properly before you inject.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Once you’ve raised a vein, clean the site with soap and water or a pre-injection swab. Dry the site before you inject.
Insert the needle in the direction of the blood flow. Blood in the veins flows towards the heart. Don’t ‘fish around’ to find a vein. Repeated stabbing will cause bruising and scarring.
Draw back the plunger until you see blood. You’re checking to make sure you’ve hit a vein, not an artery.
Release the tourniquet before injecting. If you pass out with the tourniquet on you could lose a limb.
Inject the solution slowly and steadily.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Withdraw the needle slowly and apply pressure to the site until the bleeding stops. If the bleeding doesn’t stop hold the limb up, keep pressure on it and get help. If you’ve hit an artery by mistake you could bleed to death, or lose a limb. ‘Getting help’ might mean calling for an ambulance.
Always dispose of the needles, syringes, swabs and filters you have used in a sharps container. You can collect sharps container from any drug service providing a needle exchange facility. If you don’t have access to a sharps container, then make sure that the equipment is disposed in a secure container (maybe an empty beer or soft drink can) or otherwise destroyed. Clean your spoon and wash out any cups before you use them again.
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Keeping healthy[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Any doctor will be able to treat most of the problems that can be caused by injecting. If an injection site becomes infected and is not treated the problems can become severe, sometimes life threatening. Warning signs include sites that become painful, tender, red, hot or swollen, or you feel generally ill or weak and develop a temperature. If you skin becomes sore, weeps or turns black the infection won’t heal by itself. You might notice a red track mark that spreads under the skin as the infection spreads. Don’t wait. Go to your doctor. Now.
[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Can I get arrested?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] In the UK, the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 is the primary legislation controlling drug use. The law does make specific reference to the ‘paraphernalia’ of drug use, and convictions have been brought against people who knowingly sell items that will be used for the production, supply or consumption of controlled drugs. ‘Paraphernalia’ might include hydroponics grow systems or lighting, scales or pipes. Most suppliers will sell items for ‘novelty’ value or for other legitimate uses. Needles, syringes, swabs and disposal bins are all excluded from this definition of ‘paraphernalia’. Having clean equipment on you does not provide any grounds for arrest. Used equipment could arguably be said to contain ‘traces’ of a controlled drug, although no conviction has been brought on these grounds.
Some people are understandably concerned that being in possession of any injecting equipment might lead police to a more thorough investigation if they are stopped and searched. [/FONT]
fuckloads of people do it, even on the party scene. Not so much at raves due to the equipment and clean conditions required, but often to get “more value” out of drugs like ketamine…
Thankfully I have a phobia/really strong dislike of needles..
@General Lighting 341342 wrote:
fuckloads of people do it, even on the party scene. Not so much at raves due to the equipment and clean conditions required, but often to get “more value” out of drugs like ketamine…
Thankfully I have a phobia/really strong dislike of needles..
i’m not suprised to be honest
@General Lighting 341342 wrote:
fuckloads of people do it, even on the party scene. Not so much at raves due to the equipment and clean conditions required, but often to get “more value” out of drugs like ketamine…
Thankfully I have a phobia/really strong dislike of needles..
Last (free) rave i went to there was a car load of heroin users, they had towels hanging from the windows and from what i saw didn’t move all night. Fuck that shit! :yakk:
I wouldnt mind trying ketamine in the arm…. but i wont be doing it to myself… there is a reason doctors go to medical school!
fair enough warning people against recreational IV drug use but removing your sons from national vaccination programs is morally questionable. Desieses like measals/mumps/rubella/TB are only kept at bay by the participation of everyone. Vaccinations allowed diseases like smallpox to be completely irradicated so individuals opting out through fear of side effects is selfish and irresponsible. It might be safer for you as an individual but its the same as the ‘one vote doesnt make a difference’ attitude. If everyone did what you are doing then many people would die.
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unless a post is missing on my system or poly/cliffy/deliryummy have a undeclared love child hidden away somewhere (and I wouldn’t put anything past them) no one on this thread has a son!
@General Lighting 348078 wrote:
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?????unless a post is missing on my system or poly/cliffy/deliryummy have a undeclared love child hidden away somewhere (and I wouldn’t put anything past them) no one on this thread has a son!
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Injecting Intravenous Drugs
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Just in case you’re not yet convinced, injecting anything into your body is a really bad idea.
I’ve chosen to remove both of my sons from national vaccination programs because I’m concerned about the potential for harm from any as-yet-unknown impact of introducing various vaccines directly into the body. A very good friend of mine suffered a horrendous infection of his right breast after a DIY nipple pierce (ouch!) introduced all kinds of nasties. My grandfather suffered MRSA infection after a triple bypass operation. It’s a buggy world we live in…
I can’t help but notice that lots of the people I know who do inject drugs suffer terribly with various skin, muscle, vein and other problems as a direct result of poor injecting technique.
If you’re going to inject the drugs you take, there are a few things I think you ought to know.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]didn’t you read any of it mate? :laugh_at:
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@Dr Bunsen 340430 wrote:
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I’ve chosen to remove both of my sons from national vaccination programs
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for some reason I’d always read that article from the second paragraph onwards (and hadn’t noticed the other bit despite it being on this site for 10 years or so)
The problem with these articles is they are indeed 10 or more years old and have been written by various people who had the knowledge (many were or are professional drugs counsellors in the NHS and other places) but often didn’t want to give their names or contact details back then there was much more stigma attached to being known as a drug user or being supportive of them.
also the forum wasn’t as widely used as not everyone had broadband, so submissions were emailed in and the original creators details are I expect now long gone..
Dr B certainly didn’t write it, he was a carefree raver in SE England, not a family man back then!
it was also written around the time that the the conspiracy theory that NHS injections cause autism and other extra health risks was at its height…
personally I think as this particular article is supposed to be advice rather than personal opinion about the conspiracy theory should be removed from it as irrelevant, (the issues are about the vaccines themselves rather than the NHS’s hygiene standards) but there are ethical issues over editing someone elses submission even 10 years on… the rest is good advice so I’ll flag it and see what would be best to do..
ah didnt realise it was a copy and paste job.. dont think it’ll matter, not many family guys on this forum are there? 😛
@Iacchus 348100 wrote:
ah didnt realise it was a copy and paste job.. dont think it’ll matter, not many family guys on this forum are there? 😛
there’s actually a fair few dads and parents on here, a lot of people my age group who are returning to partying because their kids are now old enough to be left with babysitters on some weekends…
injecting’s never a good idea like it says above but cause I’ve ran out of usable veins in my hands, arms and fingers (due to Brit kit -number 3 heroin – needing Citric acid to break it down) I’ve moved to my groin. This can be very dangerous if you dont know what you’re doing. I’m just writing this to give people advice who have to do it there.
Feel along for a pulse then, once you feel that, move approx 2 finger-spaces down the groin,leg crease towards your balls. Cook up your smack in a 2ml barrrel and put a blue spike onto an empty barrel. Once you’ve went 2 finger spaces away from the pulse (the artery and if you hit that it’s one of the most painful – nevermind dangerous – experiences you could ever have) place another finger beside thefinger nearest your balls (but along that crook). You should have 3 fingers running from the pulse. Slip the blue spike and empty barrel into the space between the 2nd and 3rd finger farthest from the pulse vertically. This is not like skin-popping or an IV injection: you inject straight down, a bit like a muscle-pop. Pull back and if the blood is dark you’ve got it right. If it’s bright and pinkt remove straight away and apply pressure… you’ve just struck an artery but if you heed my advice that really shouldn’t happen.
So, now that you’ve pulled blood from a vein in to the empty barrel carefully, not to move the needle, grip the blue part of the spike and separate it from the barrel then quickly replace the needle (which will be fast filling with blood) with the barrel which is fullof that amazing junk. Pull back again just to make sure you’ve not moved the needle out of the vein and, as long as it’s dark blood, shoot slowly and enjoy.
I really sdont recommend using your groin. I know people who can get themselves there with 1ml (orange) spikes but I can’t. Sooner or later you’ll lose a leg if you’re not extrememly careful in that area.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER INJECT BELOW THE WAIST…
but I’ve a jagging-habit and no railways in my arms anymore.
Be warned.
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