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April 29, 2007 at 12:58 pm

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General Lighting

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parties that don’t get busted don’t need to be tiny, its about well chosen locations and sensible attitudes- you can put 500-1000 people into the right area and have a party go relatively unnoticed!
April 29, 2007 at 1:14 pm

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Clang

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Location, location, location!
April 29, 2007 at 1:16 pm

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MisterDuck

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General Lighting wrote:

parties that don’t get busted don’t need to be tiny, its about well chosen locations and sensible attitudes- you can put 500-1000 people into the right area and have a party go relatively unnoticed!

yeah we’re runnin a small party this summer, then next year hopefully we’ll have permanent rig and get a crew together, start developin the scene up ‘ere….

gonna be postin loads askin advice on here in a short while methinks :groucho:
April 29, 2007 at 1:32 pm

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globalloon wrote:

I think this country is well overdue a revolution

i think the next big social movement will be against the police state we are living under

and i think it should start this summer

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Yeah? Great. i’m totally with you but cynical old bat that i am its NEVER gonna happen!

People have never been so apathetic! Especially the young, sorry guys but people on here arn’t the usual suspects.

No-one believes they have the power anymore. The seeds of doubt have rotted the asylum.

There are armchair revolutionaries everywhere you look but critical mass is an unachievable goal.
UNLESS television disappeared overnight, THEN we’d see some action :bounce_fl
April 29, 2007 at 1:35 pm

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General Lighting

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tarifa wrote:

UNLESS television disappeared overnight, THEN we’d see some action :bounce_fl

not everyone watches it though..

Banksy wrote:

HTV makes me wanna smoke crack

he even sprayed it on the side wall of their studio :laugh_at:

I worked in the TV industry for a few years of my life, now I hardly even watch TV (ironically my viewing hours dropped the more I got to learn about how the industry worked :laugh_at:
April 29, 2007 at 1:39 pm

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MisterDuck

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tarifa wrote:

People have never been so apathetic! Especially the young, sorry guys but people on here arn’t the usual suspects.

cynical was an understatement :weee:

i think there may be some who would suprise you there. certainly “apathy” has existed but recently there has been a lot more people of my generation actually giving a shit imho…
April 29, 2007 at 1:51 pm

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tarifa wrote:

Yeah? Great. i’m totally with you but cynical old bat that i am its NEVER gonna happen!

People have never been so apathetic! Especially the young, sorry guys but people on here arn’t the usual suspects.

No-one believes they have the power anymore. The seeds of doubt have rotted the asylum.

There are armchair revolutionaries everywhere you look but critical mass is an unachievable goal.
UNLESS television disappeared overnight, THEN we’d see some action :bounce_fl

Yeh, ppl just seem content with copying and pasting right-wing news stories and “getting high” just means seeing yourself as higher than the latest group of ppl getting victimised. Judging by some postings, even chavs are doing DMT and Ket now, lmao, then hissing about <> on their comedowns. Even <> are doing it.

It’s ok to be a Nazi these days. The politically correct thing is to say “forget political correctness, it’s time we wiped out <>”.

I can’t wait till the National Socialist (Nazi, New Labour) party just effs off. Lib Dems would be a welcome change (bet they would mess up too, but not as badly). UP THE LIB DEMS! I reckon things will be better then. I really do.
April 29, 2007 at 3:53 pm

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General Lighting

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IMO it isn’t younger peoples fault – they cannot be blamed for caving in to the immense pressures of society and the market if they do not have supportive older people (not just their parents) willing to back them up

I know too many people of my age who have not only given up raving but support greater social controls on ravers and drug users and say “we had our fun but, its got out of hand” :you_crazy (I believe the opposite, I think todays youth are more sensible and responsible than I was back then!)

And in a capitalist world, market forces hit harder than even police forces or armed forces – they mean people have to constantly fight for jobs and there is way more competition today from other countries due to the effects of globalisation – and youths are forced to grow up faster and faster these days. There is a great pressure to conform, even in friendships and relationships and those who don’t conform can find themselves quite lonely sometimes; this is obviously hard on anybody, young or old and a lot just cave in. This IMO is the cause of the apathy you are seeing.

And to be fair growing up in the late 80s/early 90s (when we were young) was fairly cushty – despite thatcho, major and early Blair we actually had a fairly good time; jobs were easy to get, raves were new so the govt hadn’t quite sussed out how to control them, drugs were getting cheaper and cheaper (to the point many of us fucked up on them)

I also feel that whilst technology has advanced a lot, socially Britain has gone back at least 20 years in the wake of the fallout from the dot com crash, 9/11 and our Government’s misguided foreign policies adversely affecting community and race relations in this country.

Youths of boothys age are essentially back where I was in 1987 – but with greater pressures in their lives (if I could go back to my teenage days but with todays lifestyles I wouldn’t want to, don’t think I could cope! I’d end up in jail or dead.)

I expect a lot of them are angry and looking for ways to change things. Some turn to drugs, gangs and crime, but others look to more positive ideals and this is what sites like this and communities associated with raves should IMO be doing.
April 29, 2007 at 4:36 pm

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DDP – re political correctness – its a mad animal that’s got out of control i know but i’m in agreement with you about the backlash, sucks.

Boothy – I’m NOT talking about you guys, I do know lots of people who give a fuck its just they’re in such a minority. But compared to the 60s, 70s, 80s an early 90s things have been awful quiet recently

GL – yes i understand about the pressures of life, conformity, responsibility etc. But good points about how diff it is for 18 year olds now compared to wen we were 18.

I grew up in Liverpool in the 80s – a HARD place to be, no jobs, no nothing, total shite, it wasn’t the same as it was down south by any stretch BUT we did party our arses off and i guess things were a hell of a lot easier re pre CJB etc.

Why i was ranting – I grew up militant, protesting, marching, hunt-sabbing etc I believe every single person has power (Ghandi -hero). Even though we may have done it wrong sometimes (there was a violent side I now regret) at least we believed we could do something.

Now I am in a v responsible job in a totally straight environment. I LOVE my job, its hard but fantastic BUT the people in it have NO fight! They get shat on from a great height, they moan but they don’t do a goddam thing to help themselves. The job we’re in does make it hard to protest but there are ALWAYS things that can be done! There’s no self belief, no willingness to try, just apathy ARRRGGGHHHH ! ! !

I had yet another chat other day – I was saying we should try, they said it wont work so whats the point. They dont even know why standing up makes a difference even if you don’t win ! ! ! Sorry but am so angry bout the whole thing.

My earlier life was in the militant minority. My present career is in the scared, powerless, lazy majority, i’m still not used to it and i DONT have to like it! And they ARE the majority of the population.

An it makes me so sad an angry i feel sick, an want to bang my head against a wall (end of rant :wink:)
April 29, 2007 at 6:14 pm

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Hi, l’m glad someone agrees, and just to clarify… by Nazi l don’t necessarily mean White Supremacists or Third Reich, l mean the wider picture, fascism/totalitarianism etc, and like l implied, ppl acting against it are often just as bad, no matter what background they are from.

Anyway, l voted for the middle option – the party that doesn’t annoy the majority of ppl in the surrounding area.

I once said it should be ok if you get a license. I think what l meant was, licenses should be free and easily obtainable, so easy that you won’t even need them unless there is a complaint, and then if the cops are called, they can decide on the spot by using noise meters and all that i.e. there’s no personal judgement involved, it’s just down to meter readings, and there could be 2 types of limit, one for a residential area, one for a field, and maybe a 3rd for semi-residential. I reckon those noise limits already exist, so l think this all boils down to getting noise limits changed, because ppl having fun can be noisy sometimes and parties don’t happen all the time, so maybe the noise limits can be increased at least for semi-residential and rural settings.

Sod fire regulations – a house party is held in a house, a person’s house is their castle. A derelict warehouse should be knocked down right away, and if it isn’t then it’s got to be taken to mean it’s ok to do whatever. A normal warehouse in use (not derelict) will already be covered by whatever regulations there are.
April 29, 2007 at 6:21 pm

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DynamicDon’tPanic wrote:

because ppl having fun can be noisy sometimes and parties don’t happen all the time, so maybe the noise limits can be increased at least for semi-residential and rural settings.

^^^ I reckon that’s what it all boils down to, recognising that ppl want to party and that having a monumentally good time isn’t an everyday thing, so it’s not the same as industrial noise limits.
April 29, 2007 at 9:25 pm

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xstephyx

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I think id rather have the 10k oneeee! :weee: , ..if ya gonna partyyyy mights aswell make it worth the whileeee 😉
April 29, 2007 at 10:39 pm

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xstephyx wrote:

I think id rather have the 10k oneeee! :weee: , ..if ya gonna partyyyy mights aswell make it worth the whileeee 😉

Yeah but only if it’s Slayer or Jason Donovan :yakk: Or the Original Nuttah tune raaa .
April 29, 2007 at 10:55 pm

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xstephyx

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Trueeeee :weee: :angel:
April 30, 2007 at 12:09 am

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MisterDuck

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General Lighting wrote:

I expect a lot of them are angry and looking for ways to change things. Some turn to drugs, gangs and crime

far, far too many unfortunately… the pressure is really up there with it for some people, and i know many kids my age who are selling crack for their so-called older “friends” ffs…

all i meant tarifa was kinda what GL was sayin… there is a lotta anger and will to resist, but (and i can only speak for myself and those i know really, i’m just making presumptions) the sort of… clampdown, almost on “freethinking” is pretty harsh sometimes.

it’s like you’re forced through a machine to make you the ideal citizen who is happy with his average job and good grades and trivial opinion or something… and for many who don’t accept this, the escape routes (drugs, crime, violence, suicide) mentioned are appealing. been there, done that, at 15, kicked outta school, bored as fuck and felt a bit meaningless, i coulda turned that way (mostly to drugs + crime), i even started too. some of my mates are much further down that path :hopeless:
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