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yesterday a Muslim community centre (not a mosque, they already have one) in Ipswich which was going to be in a old church was burned to the ground (despite there not being a major problem with extremism in this town..) – however all the cops/feds and surveillance in the world can’t stop individual extremists on both sides converting anger into action. you would have to lock off the entire country and that just isn’t practical.

that said when I was much younger in the late 70s/early 80s there was just as much racial tension in the UK, for much the same reasons, arguments over global access to national resources, and wars in various parts of the world fuelling immigration to richer countries.

@GiantMidget 423629 wrote:

Do you think it was deliberate? Would seem likely given the current situation but you never know, could be a coincidence!

Cops and Fire Brigade are already suspecting arson. Place has been empty for over a decade and there are loads of junkies and pissheads gathering round that way so the local firebugs have had plenty of opportunity to torch it.

Its hardly the sort of thing what needs special forces tactics to do, all it would take is one pissed off strung out junkie or alcoholic or just one angry person with a lighter and £2 bottle of white spirit.. it was uninsured as well but I suspect thats because the premiums were too high in the current climate…

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/exclusive_video_gallery_arson_probe_into_inferno_which_destroyed_ipswich_church_1_822745

worse, the dude what wanted to convert it is actually very much against Islamic extremism in any form and is probably a main reason why it isn’t a problem here compared to other city/large town areas..

I’m not so sure as if someone is angry enough and wants revenge they will torch the place whether the guy got a fine or 10 years inside – The objective would be to deny the Muslims their community centre and the revenge would be against the burning of the poppies, not the criminal justice system – if it wasn’t this incident they’d find another reason to burn the place.

The authorities (including the Security Service (MI5)) are already on the lookout for a rise in racial violence, everything from marches to bombs going off. They are being quite open and honest about this in some areas, for instance our local Constabulary had an exercise about how they would deal with a bomb going off in Suffolk and invited every faith group representative and community groups to contribute.

They also train regularly against “public order situations”, one is rival groups fighting in a town after pub closing time linked to the current political/social situations. They aren’t as stupid or impotent as people think – the harsh realities are that everyone has taken their freedom for granted and is abusing it.

The cops simply aren’t going to let rival groups fight in the streets or riot any more than they did three decades ago – but the sad fact is a lot of public money will be pissed up the wall keeping us safe. For instance it cost £800 000 to ensure the recent marches in Luton didn’t erupt into violence, just consider what else more positive that could have been spent on..

unfortunately this happened long after the MPs had all been busted (indeed some have actually been nicked) and the Police Authority don’t pay politicians (it would be rather dodgy if they did!)

its a difficult one as if we are to preseve the right to dissent we are used to, the only way to deal with extremists is covert infiltration of the group with an aim to diverting and diluting the end effect of the more extreme protests, as the cops successfullly achieved with the eco-extremists, whilst still permitting the overall right to protest.

This is going to be a lot harder against more violent extremists, whether its a white cop infiltrating the EDL or a British Asian cop infiltrating an Islamic group, both of them would find their lives and those of their families in danger, people on both sides will happily do 20-30 years time for being a cop killer and be unrepentant from day of sentencing until day of release..