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I was trying to download the mix cliffy posted from the mixstation site – and found a big message at the top stating the lad behind the site had sadly died of an MDMA overdose (confirmed by HM Coroner) in September 2008…
His dad helped run the site and what amazed me was how he reacted..
I could think of so many parents who would be so incensed by losing a son to drugs they would have either deleted all the mixes ; or even handed over all the server data and their sons computer to the Police as I’m sure they could use some of the info to track potential drug users or dealers… (this has happened before when people have overdosed)
But Nimai’s father Glenn Le Santo (who I think is himself a musician) has chosen to keep the site going in his sons memory… whilst at the same time explaining to the media the risks of doing too much MDMA or large amounts of poly-drug use… I don’t blame him for being anti reclassification of MDMA given the personal experience, but he rightly also expresses scepticism over drugs prohibition…
I think we all owe it to this man and his sons memory to at least try and look after ourselves if we choose to take drugs..
Have you spoken to the the Nimai’s father? Didn’t know he died from an mdma overdose. :hopeless:
Glenn Le Santo has made several frank and honest full length statements to the media including the BBC mentioning the incident – I was looking on the BBC for drugs/crime news and info about the reclassification “debates” noticed the names matched up (its a very distinctive family name after all) and realised it was the same guy..
Ah yeah i’ve just had a look as well, Very sad isn’t it. Always saddens me when stuff like this happens. :hopeless:
props to his dad for being sensible on the issue especialy as how hard it must be to stay focused in a situation like loosing your son … most people would lash out at some one/thing … and as you say gl .. it’s a bit of a kick up the ass to us lot as if we’re not sensible in our drug intake then whats to say it couldn’t be you or me…. (i know alot of people die from difernt drugs but an mdma death allways makes it’s mark considering how widely used and relativly safe it is seen … it still has it’s risks)
Did Nimai die from taking pills or actual mdma powder/crystals?
Thats the big Q…also, can he be sure of what he got? the lack of proper quality control because of phrohibition is pissing me more and more off(..and make regret that I never became a proper educated chemist!…):head_bang
Aye innit, There’s a massive difference between the two isn’t there. I find that Mdma powder is generally safer as you almost always know what you’re getting. Pills on the other hand, without the means of a pill testing kit, you don’t know what you are getting, It’s almost like playing a game of Russian roulette when it comes to E’s. :hopeless:
yeah but no matter what it is a certain amout can kill you .. salt … parasetamol … sun ….. he might of just taken too much … :hopeless:
sad stuff
fair play to his old man
treat drugs with respect, tbh
MDMA powder varies in purity.
Various sources now state an estimated LD50 for humans as 10-20mg per kG of body weight. This is for good quality MDMA, irrespective of whether its pills or powder.
At the lowest level, this means doing a whole gram in one hit could possibly kill a 70kg human. Many regular ravers are slighly underweight and their bodies are already put under extra stress.
Pills may contain dexamfetamine, ephedrine or even K all of which increase the stress on the internal organs.
what is a risk is people going on a extended weekend and taking more and more of all sorts to chase the intial high when they are actually exhausted and should try and get some sleep/food…
I have personally had a dodgy experience from assuming pills were much weaker than they were and double-dropping, a fair few people I was with freaked and thought I was in trouble (I was certainly thinking “WTF?” but knew that if I stopped then I would (and did) recover).
But one more pill and I certainly would have ended up in West Suffolk Hospital ….
Yeah man, Tis dangerous to do large amounts in a hit. When it comes to mandy i always think a gram should be taken in small bombs and spread out throughout the night. One of my mates ages ago took 3/4 of a gram in one go and it fucked him royally, He kept talking to people that weren’t there and couldn’t stand up, he kept wanting to sleep as well but i wouldn’t let him. I almost rung an ambulance cos i was that concerned. We put him in the shower to cool down and kept a proper close eye on him and luckily he came out of it. Scary shit tho! :hopeless:
I remember the email his father sent the week after he died.
I wonder if his pills were PMA rather than MDMA? There is so much of that shit around because it’s easier to synth than MDMA but it is VASTLY more toxic.
The above shows exactly how little all of you know about what it is you are subjecting yourselves to, and what it is leading you into.
It perfectly describes the method that was one of the factors in Nimai’s death.
Yeah, and get that straight guys, he is dead. He didn’t go to sleep or go to the great club in the sky. He had what wouldn’t have been a very nice death at all.
He probably tried to wake up out of his sleep / trance / fit or whatever when his central nervous system stopped moving his lungs.
But he wouldn’t have been able to. It was over. He would have had a fairly substantial time to consider this, as he lay there suffocating. Alone, with no one to save him this time.
It can happen to any of you, for a number of reasons.
It could be reckless combination of drugs, incorrect dosage due to variable quality of product. Or it could be because you get too faced to dose in any way responsibly.
Or it can be because of some unknown thing like a slightly weak heart valve, or kidneys or even an accidental fall. Whatever. Freak stuff even.
And if you don’t already have weak organs, you absolutely will be damaging them with ANY use, even single of these substances. Each time will have a smaller or larger cumulative effect. Don’t kid yourself. It will be there to see in your body when you’re on the slab like Nimai was, being diseccted.
One way or another you are simply playing another game of Russian Roulette.
You are fucking with your bodies, slowly but surely, in a way that is not accurately documeneted, studied or understood. Using man made substances that have not been in use by humans for long enough for us to have any real idea of their effect on us, or future generations.
Substances where the so-called safe dose is at the very least sketchy if not simply un-calculable because of all fo the above factors.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m no up my arse conservative who thinks for a minute everyone is going to go through their lives not taking any kind of risks.
Just google Glenn Le Santo and you’ll see, I too am guilty of taking risks with my own life. Although I do feel in a somewhat more positive manner in that taking the risks paid me, instead of me paying to take the risk.
But when you take any type of serious risks with your life you are also playing with other people’s lives. You cannot know how much pain and heartache Nimai’s death has caused his his family circle. His five brother’s and sisters, his two nephews, his grandparents, his parents and all the people that met and instantly loved Nimai in his too short life. Maybe you don’t give a fuck, but believe me, they do.
And that risk is just as selfish as what you are doing to yourselves.
And for those that are interested:
I’ll be doing a Twitterthon for charity, Glenn Le Santo (lesanto) on Twitter very soon.
You can all get involved, maybe tweet me a track you are playing in memory of his name or something.
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