Party Vibe

yeah, I saw that on SJ.

he can be nicked for that, and a gas-powered airgun is illegal without a valid firearms cert, anything up to GBH or ABH depending on severity of injury.

his actions are wrong and I think he should be punished – he should certainly lose his firearms license or do time if he has injured someone – but it also shows how desperate and angry the farmers are becoming.

A lot of them are receiving less and less for their produce and they also haven’t had their subsidies yet due to Government delays; and stuff like raves done in the wrong place delays their production even further. they are competing with lots of foreign countries now to sell their products, every days delay is potentially lost revenue.

The SJ posts say the landowner was less angry – thats not suprising because his contract with the farmer is to get the rent for a certain length of time whatever happens, whether “the weather be fine or foul, or crops thrive or fail”. The medieval feudal system still exists and the landowner can just laugh at one set of peasants fighting another..

I don’t know what you do for a living but lets say if some people went and trashed your workplace and you lost out on pay or even got laid off because your employers went bust; or if your college got broken into and your coursework was trashed so you missed out on a uni place for a year.

Surely you’d be pissed off too, maybe you’d want to fight whoever did it?

Shooting people is wrong but in this world loads of people do it even if guns aren’t allowed if they are angry and desparate enough. A gamekeeper in surrey shot up a stack a few years back (she went to jail) and in London some DJ at a UK garage party was shot dead because he finished his set too early!

if someone has a gun, is angry enough and doesn’t care about going to jail or perhaps being killed themselves, even armed police and trained soldiers have a difficult job.

Both sides also never like what cops have to say, and interpret it in the way they want.

I sort of agree with what you are implying though – cops (perhaps as individuals rather than acting within the strict letter of the law) feel that because the party crew took matters into their own hands by invading the land and allegedly caused him crimineeal damage and a financial loss, the farmer could feel equally entitled to take matters into his own hands by disabling a genset or other equipment.

but when it turns to violence the cops always win – if the farmer fights people they can nick everybody in the end – the farmer and the people who fight him back. they then can say “raves are a trigger point for violence” and close more down.

if we are not careful though and things escalate one day we are going to see people getting seriously hurt and killed – probably a farmer being lynched after he fires a real gun into a crowd, and/or family feuds lasting across generations because of it.

there is no easy solution now and unfortunately everything I say makes me seem “old and harsh” because we’ve been rinsing england for free parties since the early 1990s. Worse still a proportion of the old skool ravers did get seriously into drugs and crime, so younger ravers are carrying the can for the sins of previous generations…

Everywhere, land is expensive due to the feudal system augmenting capitalism – those who have it don’t want to give it away to others (even for a weekend). OTOH there may be still disused farms or abandoned places. Sometimes land isn’t good for crops or has been overused, and farms go bankrupt and then a faceless bank in London often owns the land and until they find a buyer find rather than a farmer depending on it to provide his livelihood.

I think it is gonna have to be a case of “less is more” – people using either public land but smaller stacks/crowds (so they don’t annoy neighbours) or land with some sort of permission…