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long live small happy hippy raves
(and boxes built from scrap wood! he he)
indeed!:horay:
i’ve only just moved into East Anglia from the SE (Reading/Oxon) and TBH I think the same thing has happened everywhere…
its way worse in “Londonistan” – although thats not a very PC name for the capital I use it because I am Asian and I see the capital city as violent and divided as the Middle Eastern countries of the world and the youths there (apart from a few decent people I know) live by fighting and violence as they know no better.
Even their most popular music scene, “grime”, is based on fighting, people often beat up each other to the beat of the music!
round here though the “kids” (not all of them are that young either!) many seem to only be doing this because they are essentially powerless.
they appear to have already given up on making society something better; all they want to do is play a bit of music – but even if they try to do this by the proper channels it is denied to them in some areas (I’ve already made another thread about how locked down suffolk is!)
that said I think a lot of the dodgy venue choices happen because people forget East Anglia is flat, and are quite stubborn (on both sides) – theres an age-old intolerance of noise and “staying up too late” in England.
I mean people here in Ipswich seem to all go to bed by 23:00…
it needs some sort of compromise or meeting of minds somewhere, otherwise there is going to be a big incident one day and people on both sides are going to get hurt. raves arent’ just going to go away, but local yokels aren’t going to roll over and accept being invaded/kept awake
I’ve been told that Norwich/Norfolk is a safe place but this weekend a homeless got the shit kicked out of him, the weekend before people were just getting randomly punched on prince of wales avenue, and I saw a lot of anger about in peoples messageboard posts on SJ (not defence against trolls but real hate about immigrants or anyone else who was different ) – you get the impression sometimes that if it wasn’t for K there would be more violence..
the use of the RAF base for a massive rave though was only because the crews had been run out of their normal areas – I wasn’t there but I expect the rigs were kept in that part and the nature reserve is some distance away. had the cops not forced ravers out of other East Anglian areas there would have been less rigs in that area.
its been raved before and I once worked for the organisation that looks after these nature reserves; had I been aware of any real danger to the wildlife I would have noticed it by now and posted stuff about it. raaa
the use of the RAF base for raves is far better than its previous use for making things to kill people with..
its way worse in “Londonistan” – although thats not a very PC name for the capital I use it because I am Asian and I see the capital city as violent and divided as the Middle Eastern countries of the world and the youths there (apart from a few decent people I know) live by fighting and violence as they know no better.
Even their most popular music scene, “grime”, is based on fighting, people often beat up each other to the beat of the music!
round here though the “kids” (not all of them are that young either!) many seem to only be doing this because they are essentially powerless.
they appear to have already given up on making society something better; all they want to do is play a bit of music – but even if they try to do this by the proper channels it is denied to them in some areas (I’ve already made another thread about how locked down suffolk is!)
that said I think a lot of the dodgy venue choices happen because people forget East Anglia is flat, and are quite stubborn (on both sides) – theres an age-old intolerance of noise and “staying up too late” in England.
I mean people here in Ipswich seem to all go to bed by 23:00…
it needs some sort of compromise or meeting of minds somewhere, otherwise there is going to be a big incident one day and people on both sides are going to get hurt. raves arent’ just going to go away, but local yokels aren’t going to roll over and accept being invaded/kept awake
I’ve been told that Norwich/Norfolk is a safe place but this weekend a homeless got the shit kicked out of him, the weekend before people were just getting randomly punched on prince of wales avenue, and I saw a lot of anger about in peoples messageboard posts on SJ (not defence against trolls but real hate about immigrants or anyone else who was different ) – you get the impression sometimes that if it wasn’t for K there would be more violence..
the use of the RAF base for a massive rave though was only because the crews had been run out of their normal areas – I wasn’t there but I expect the rigs were kept in that part and the nature reserve is some distance away. had the cops not forced ravers out of other East Anglian areas there would have been less rigs in that area.
its been raved before and I once worked for the organisation that looks after these nature reserves; had I been aware of any real danger to the wildlife I would have noticed it by now and posted stuff about it. raaa
the use of the RAF base for raves is far better than its previous use for making things to kill people with..
Fair play but i was told it was actually on the nature reserve. Still that doiesnt give them any excuse, if they are gonna plan a 3 day rave, plan it ffs. They have plenty of time to find a suitable location, and also should expect hassle from the police and have a few deacent back up plans. I work hard as a volunteer conservationist, and when i can see hard work undon it makes me a little resentful.
Norwich is a violent place, but not so much so as other major cities, but since i was a bout 13, there have always been pople mugged, attacked and raped in norwich, nedles to say i dont walk the streets alone late at night as i value my saftey, but even that wont protect you, tyhe opther month a friend has his neighbour stab up a guy who tried to rob him on his doorstep, there was blood and flesh all over my mates front door…not a pretty sight to see after a party! I dont think K numbs the violence at all, ganja does, but k can cause psychotic thoughts and bring out the anger in people, i definately see it bring out the worst in alot of norwich people, and day by day watch their lives flow down the plughole. Im now pregnant and maybe that has changed my opinion, as now i have sometihing to keep myself alive for, (where as before in the past i had always been quite messy and reckless with my life), but seeing even the people i only know spiral out of control on Ket, makes me worried for the future of not only raves and my friends but of my child. As i know i would be devestated if my kid was a k head. Each to their own choice of course and i have no quims with peoiple dabbling in K dont get me wrong. its the obsession that its gonna create a revolution!
the RAF base was only declassified very recently (although it had been decommissioned years ago) – it was not shown on maps but the nature reserve is!
believe you me if English Nature/Natural England) really thought their reserve was being rinsed right on their own doorstep (well at least until they all get shunted up North next year) they would have locked it down good and proper last time it got raved. The chaps and ladies there are not stupid and they know all about raves – yet they have admitted that they are low-impact compared to the damage farmers inflict on the environment when they are desparate to increase crop yields and profit.
Still that doiesnt give them any excuse, if they are gonna plan a 3 day rave, plan it ffs. They have plenty of time to find a suitable location, and also should expect hassle from the police and have a few deacent back up plans. I work hard as a volunteer conservationist, and when i can see hard work undon it makes me a little resentful.
this is true; although I’m a newcomer to the area I’m amazed that all the same locations get rinsed so often; and no one can find anywhere else. Its true that big landowners own a lot of the area; but surely there are smaller clearings, disused and abandoned farms or other areas in two of the biggest counties in England?
if people keep rinsing the obvious places like Thetford forest its bound to bring things on top! All land belongs to someone and under the feudal system which still exists it ultimately all belongs to the Crown.
the Norfolk/Suffolk border is there because ancient tribes fought bitterly to get control of the forest resources and the surrounding lands, and this is repeated at every border area in the country.
Perhaps ket and laziness do have a point but I’ve noticed many people do not even have a clue about the actual terrain and layout of even the 25 mile radius in which they live in, even if they have been there for years, and when choosing venues pick the “easiest possible option”.
that said once big problem round here is that because the land is so good and fertile since ancient times there have been villages and settlements around every parcel of land; now with the decline of small scale farming they are either owned by the elderly or middle class nimby types who shit themselves every time they see more than 3 strange vehicles in the area..
I dont think K numbs the violence at all, ganja does, but k can cause psychotic thoughts and bring out the anger in people, i definately see it bring out the worst in alot of norwich people, and day by day watch their lives flow down the plughole.
unfortunately much the same can be said for cannabis – or any other drug.
drugs are merely like the amplifier in a rig; if you put a good quality signal into it you get good sound from the loudspeaker, but if the signal has noise and interference that will also be made worse.
so if people are angry and psychotic to start with drugs will clearly make them worse and if they keep taking them they will destroy themselves and others.
Im now pregnant and maybe that has changed my opinion, as now i have sometihing to keep myself alive for, (where as before in the past i had always been quite messy and reckless with my life),
congratulations – globaloon and his wife recently became parents. be careful though that your laudable desire to protect your child does not get corrupted into a desire to restrict others.
This is how in this country the nanny state very successfully works; by appealing to the maternal instincts of women… most of the anti-social behaviour laws have been set up by female ministers who want to improve the behaviour of youths and children.
I’m surprised TBH to hear people think that in East anglia, never heard it elsewhere where its just seen as a bit of fun.
Most of the hate and anger sadly occurs when people they realise they need jobs/money to survive, and then they find that because they are not prepared to work hard during the week as well as play hard, other people from Europe and elsewhere have come to Britain taken jobs that these people refuse to do…
but instead of even doing something else positive like setting up an infoshop or an eco centre they sit in their squats and blame everybody or do a bit of petty crime to get by.
I used to knock around with loads of squatters in Reading and saw this happen time and time again..
The only way society may be better is if people come together, not just ravers, otherwise we will end up with our country looking like Baghdad is now…
absolutely cracking thread.
There are alot of questions it brings up.
One of the most serious being that is it possible to do everything legally now ‘minus the obvious drug abuse’ with as much sucess in legally licenced venues.
When rave evolved it was partly due to a backlash at the unreasonable licensing laws. Now you can pretty much got to a nightclub night for the same price as a rave (or close) for the same amount of time.
is legal the way forward?
When rave evolved it was partly due to a backlash at the unreasonable licensing laws. Now you can pretty much got to a nightclub night for the same price as a rave (or close) for the same amount of time.
but your endz is londonistan innit? :ar15:
this is clearly not the case in all areas of the UK. Some areas do not have venues opening after 2am and those in power do not want that to change.
Suffolk is a good example as it borders on to Norfolk, Cambs and Essex where there is a larger night-time economy.
Their “politically correct” argument is that it creates further costs, risks, dangers and burdens to society as the findings from other counties reflect this (what the cops don’t deal with, the NHS picks up!)
The real reason is that its cheaper as the kids who have cars travel to the other counties and any trouble that occurs is Someone Elses Problem.
surely its a backward step? legal late night events, licensed on a market-based, competitive framework including full payment of “extra” costs of policing etc have been around 10 years or more and are available to those who can afford to pay ticket prices, or can travel to places where the authorities grudgingly allow this to happen.
what people want is a low cost, lightly regulated solution which isn’t only open to those with lots of money to risk on an event that could still be stopped at last minute or disrupted (think of what happened to the Fridge this weekend).
However to get it people do need to improve their self-regulation – two generations have already tried and failed.
There are alot of questions it brings up.
One of the most serious being that is it possible to do everything legally now ‘minus the obvious drug abuse’ with as much sucess in legally licenced venues.
When rave evolved it was partly due to a backlash at the unreasonable licensing laws. Now you can pretty much got to a nightclub night for the same price as a rave (or close) for the same amount of time.
is legal the way forward?
I’ve been going to alot more legal parties over the last year as the amount of more ‘underground’ club-nights going on seems to have been increasing by the week (coupled with the fact that I haven’t been going to free-parties as much due to winter/not wanting to stay up all night)
We started doing our own legal night on a monthly basis about 4 or 5 months ago and it has been cracking, although we’re going to need a bigger venue soon!
The reason I state the above is to show that I like the legal scene before I say this…
…I really don’t think we can do everything as well in a legal club (minus drug use) because:
– people just can’t run riot in the same way
– there isn’t the joy of a new place to explore almost every weekend
– it costs a hell of alot more, i.e. paying £3 for a bottle of beer when you can just take your own to a free-party
– i think another large appeal of free raves is people have their cars/vans/tents etc as a retreat and a bit of personal space, which is rarely the case with a club
There are alot of questions it brings up.
One of the most serious being that is it possible to do everything legally now ‘minus the obvious drug abuse’ with as much sucess in legally licenced venues.
When rave evolved it was partly due to a backlash at the unreasonable licensing laws. Now you can pretty much got to a nightclub night for the same price as a rave (or close) for the same amount of time.
is legal the way forward?
I think its a direction we are being herded into. 😉
i dont know your scene over there really much. have been there for some parties, some really crap and scary…some decent ones as well, which surely has been the efford of the soundsystem. i have spend more than a year now on squatjuice and finally gave up cause the general mood of the young partypeople just doent cope with mine at all and i find it really unconstructive, desillusionative, sad, etc…yes..it makes me angry as well cause seriousy i dont see the point of middle class kids ( kids at least able to access interent all day long…) playing the generation x and let themselve float in the mood of no hope, no love, being cool blabla. unch of opportunists if you ask me, cause the one i spoke personaly to were almost all agreeing with me – but in the forum caling me hippie, which took me a while to understand thats a insult !!!
i dont want to blame the single kids/ persons/crews – it looks much more like a general problem of teh society over there ?!
this isnt at all judgemental – more i would lieke to read some posts and what people which actually join the scene say. as well i think it may be interesting for you to read how someone from outside see the things.
i can see a lot of comone things in the european party scene, in the difefernt countries…of course a lot controversialas as well. but NOWHERE else i found a scene so much rotten and sad as i found in the uk.
tell me what you think 🙂
Stop moaning ya bloody Hippy . . .
:crazy_fre
OJ I call for revolution – local goverment, wider democracy
Environmental/public sector/financial/local ammentitys reform
Its our bloody system lets show them we’ll take the rains
If you can get legal outside partys in the countryside
then fairplay
otherwise its strictly free all the way – has to be?????
i kinda think that the free party scene has always been set to self destruct, the enthesis being on freedom but what some people dont understand is that freedom is not individual to you, freedom does not mean i can do what the fuck i want, tread on peoples toes etc you must respect others peoples right to express themselvs not get robbed etc.
today we live in a society filled with rules and regulations people get to an event were they are free from all this bullshit and its to much for them they dont know how to controll themselvs.
its like you keep a dog on a lead its hole life as soon as you take the lead of its gona run away/go wild. our society dosent teach self controll instead it governs you constantly.
this is very true
damn there are some bright folks on these boards.
and a lot of good sense.
i like the idea of the smaller , less impact DIY setup though i worry about elitism. certainly it is so that too many cooks spoil the brew in those places where too many crews are competing.
i feel the message is wrong at times – one thing that used to set the rave scene apart was the understanding that rave folks did what they did and enjoyed themselves in the way we do because we were broadly decent, broadly minded, tolerant and understanding but didnt need necessarily to follow all the nitpicking bs rules imposed by and followed by the faceless selfish hordes. hence our fun was subversive but difficult to truly demonise (note how the press gave up trying back in the early nineties on a national level)
i agree with the observation that unnecessary and out of control behaviour is more prevalent than before and often thats down to folks thinking they can leave all their respect and manners in the car ashtray with their spare rizla. its up to us to say ‘not so’ and be proud of our high standards of thought and work hard to party accordingly!
believe you me if English Nature/Natural England) really thought their reserve was being rinsed right on their own doorstep (well at least until they all get shunted up North next year) they would have locked it down good and proper last time it got raved. The chaps and ladies there are not stupid and they know all about raves – yet they have admitted that they are low-impact compared to the damage farmers inflict on the environment when they are desparate to increase crop yields and profit.
this is true; although I’m a newcomer to the area I’m amazed that all the same locations get rinsed so often; and no one can find anywhere else. Its true that big landowners own a lot of the area; but surely there are smaller clearings, disused and abandoned farms or other areas in two of the biggest counties in England?
if people keep rinsing the obvious places like Thetford forest its bound to bring things on top! All land belongs to someone and under the feudal system which still exists it ultimately all belongs to the Crown.
the Norfolk/Suffolk border is there because ancient tribes fought bitterly to get control of the forest resources and the surrounding lands, and this is repeated at every border area in the country.
Perhaps ket and laziness do have a point but I’ve noticed many people do not even have a clue about the actual terrain and layout of even the 25 mile radius in which they live in, even if they have been there for years, and when choosing venues pick the “easiest possible option”.
that said once big problem round here is that because the land is so good and fertile since ancient times there have been villages and settlements around every parcel of land; now with the decline of small scale farming they are either owned by the elderly or middle class nimby types who shit themselves every time they see more than 3 strange vehicles in the area..
unfortunately much the same can be said for cannabis – or any other drug.
drugs are merely like the amplifier in a rig; if you put a good quality signal into it you get good sound from the loudspeaker, but if the signal has noise and interference that will also be made worse.
so if people are angry and psychotic to start with drugs will clearly make them worse and if they keep taking them they will destroy themselves and others.
congratulations – globaloon and his wife recently became parents. be careful though that your laudable desire to protect your child does not get corrupted into a desire to restrict others.
This is how in this country the nanny state very successfully works; by appealing to the maternal instincts of women… most of the anti-social behaviour laws have been set up by female ministers who want to improve the behaviour of youths and children.
I’m surprised TBH to hear people think that in East anglia, never heard it elsewhere where its just seen as a bit of fun.
Most of the hate and anger sadly occurs when people they realise they need jobs/money to survive, and then they find that because they are not prepared to work hard during the week as well as play hard, other people from Europe and elsewhere have come to Britain taken jobs that these people refuse to do…
but instead of even doing something else positive like setting up an infoshop or an eco centre they sit in their squats and blame everybody or do a bit of petty crime to get by.
I used to knock around with loads of squatters in Reading and saw this happen time and time again..
The only way society may be better is if people come together, not just ravers, otherwise we will end up with our country looking like Baghdad is now…
Thank you for the congratulations, and yeah i can see your point about being careful not to impose restrictions on others…all i seem to wanna do is mother everyone! which is becoming a bit annoying! But hard to do. There is this unbearabl maternal instinct that i never knew i had slowly brewing up inside of me (more so after hearing my babys heart beat today!:wave: ) that makes me want to protect and look after everyone that needs it! but i will def take ur advice on board!
In norwich Ket is becoming a bit of a problem (from some peoples eyes obviously not in the eyes of the K heads!), with the k dealer(s) pushing it onto young girls and turning the innocent into squat junkies. they then beleive that K is the way forward and i hate to say it but there is one group of people obsessed with ket that is worringly turning into a charles manson esque type family….nuff said. Some people i know even do it at work because they cant stop doing it during the day! coke i can understand this coz you stay compus mentus, but to be doing ket to benormal…suggests to me there is a problem! I think alot of this comes from boredom of being stuck in the arse end of britain with most reasonable entertainment out of reach along with half deacent job opportunities. with no hope of getting a deacent job locally and no inspiration to work in retail/sales/catering or factories, there is little else to do! this is a shame as i feel norfolk kills all inspiration and ambition, and you often find people who come here from other places such as london, get stuck here andsucked into it all as norwich is too comfortable and familiar. its like one big village everyone knows everyone one way or another. I for one would find it hard to move from here to another city knowing norwich is a pretty safe place as far as the UK is concerned especially now with a child on the way!
There are alot of places to party if u look hard enough, but as u said people tend to go for the easy option. A friend and I are thinking about orgnising a couple of one off partys this year in an attempt to bring back the old vibe east anglia had, not just one big stack and nothing else, but tents, colour, bars, chill out area, reggae tent etc, and we have found 3 cocha places all land owned by people willing to lend it to us. this means we have 2 back up plans if it gos wrong. Not one of these place is near housing, nor likely to disturb anyone else. its not hard if you are prepared to look.
And yeah i agree, all dugs cause psychosis and ive seen people fuck up from smoking weed all day everyday as they see this as acceptable where as they might not do other drugs if u see what i mean.
And yes indeed we do need to stick together not just as a party scene but as a whole, but that idea is long gone. with peoples preconseptions of what should be rather than seeing what actually is and dealing with the problem. And steroetyping instead of seeing what people are really about. Alot of this separation is caused by the media and media hype and the fact that most people are too ignorant to really give a shit!
peace xx:horay:
the maternal instinct is otherwise a very good thing (like those stories you see where a female animal in a sanctuary adopts the young of a across territorial/species boundaries..)
you might be better off talking to globaloon about baby type stuff as he’s a recent dad – I know little about babies (other that they need to be fed, taken for walks and you should not let them escape and wander the streets) and view the thought of fatherhood with horror at the moment. for me they are like dogs, cute but high-maintenance and better if someone else is looking after them..
I’ve seen this happen with pills, then speed, and now ket and it regularly happens with booze. Its part of Britain’s binge culture but I agree with what you also said that it is because life in Britain can be utterly boring and soul-destroying sometimes.
OTOH boredom and lack of jobs is country-wide – it also occurs because we are stubborn and push against the “babylon system” and refuse to accept what they offer us, they push back by (grudgingly) loosening border controls and giving these jobs to people from other lands who will work weekends and 12 hour days.
it is no better in London, Reading or Essex (I’ve lived in all these places as well).
I didn’t want to leave all my mates behind in Reading and miss out on loads of raves/fun times with them but my old employers were downsizing and a good job opportunity came out here but it involves more responsibility and sometimes working long hours and weekends to keep up with the workload.
there is an alternative for people who don’t want to follow like sheep – but they cannot sit on their arse and cane drugs – as well as fun times they need to get out there and create an alternative local economy, not just based on drugs/stolen goods (which gets you only put in jail eventually) – which is based not just on “fun” stuff like music/art/parties but “important” stuff like food, infrastructure, technology construction and engineering.
I like the idea you have about going back to the “old vibe” and also using places with permission (might be worth looking into the TENS laws (21 quid for a legal party with 500 people!) – the authorities can object but they would be daft not to encourage this sort of event – the desire to party is are not going to go away whatever cops/authorities do and if they stop raves people will do worse drugs and get into more trouble.
I also feel that raves have become quite high-impact recently inasmuch as resource use is concerned, hundreds of motor cars driving to the other end of the country; rigs which require 4 houses worth of electric power (no exaggeration, I worked out how much power was being required for some peoples stacks!)
I reckon there aren’t many ravers TBH, perhaps about 10,000 active ones across the entire UK (including Scotland and Wales) maybe 20,000-50,000 including old punks/hippies who dont/can’t party any more due to family/work commitments – out of a country of 60 million.
we need to face up to the fact that we are a stubborn, noisy minority (less numerous than even non-white ethnic groups which only make up 6% of the UK’s population) and society is currently grudgingly indulging us (but less and less with every year).
I reckon as well a lot of people just give up when the clampdowns get worse they get older / get stable jobs / familes and worse even support clampdowns or go back to licensed clubs as “we’ve had our fun – fuck the rest of ’em”. A lot of the insular drugs culture is essentially an admission of defeat.
more and more we need to create some form of real community that is tolerated by wider society (even if not universally accepted), just as religious and ethnic groups have done – otherwise low-cost, low regulation raves will eventually be stopped altogether.
We need that so that when your baby is a kid or teenager they can still attend a party, and when I am old and look like a cross between Zone Warden and Sifu from a karate film I will still ride my bike to them (even if there are robot electric cars about etc) 😀
you make a good point! its nice to talk to someone who has a mature outlook on life WHO ACTUALLY HAS A VALID POINT TO MAKE! maybe im meeting the worng people, i dunno, but it seems that anyone i know whos around my age (21) has such a narrowminded view of life even though they think they are being liberal! its always our way or no way. not prepared to accept other epople way of life, yet wanting people to respect theirs!
no one is prepared to work as u say long hours and weekends, which i use to before i became pregnant, and my partner does regularly, infact he’s doing a 14 hr split shif today after only doing one yesterday! this means that we usually miss out on alot of stuff that hppens, but to be honest are quite happy doing so, as it means our minds are sane, our bodys are healty an dwhen we do get to go out, it makes it so much more worth it and end up having a better time than woulkd have if we raved and got wasted every weekend like we use to. Even then my bf would still work sundays after partying no matter what state he is in.
If we do get these partys organised this year ill be sure to let u know!
And maybe see you in many years to come at a rave far far away!!!
peace!
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