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  • i was a right chav/toerag in my teens to my early 20s and extremely angry/rebellious (to the point where I easily could have committed some quite serious crimes) then a lot of harsh things happened to people I know (in many cases because of their involvement with drugs culture and wider crime)

    it made me think “hmm – I do want to carry on raving but I don’t want to fuck up my life and future too much”.

    My immediate and extended family were and are always supportive even during bad times in my life which helped loads. I’m Asian but born in the UK so I’ve had the benefit of two cultures, a strong (but not overbearing) sense of family values, and can get the best out of both and learn to tolerate everyone if they tolerate me

    I also know how locked down societies can become out of fear, intolerance or merely a desire for “economic growth and stability” and don’t want Britain to go the way of some Asian nations in order to compete in the global market (which seems to be happening)

    Also the internet became a big thing in my life – I’ve been online since 1992 and there I learned about the wider alternative community stuff which also filtered in from the eco-protest movements of the mid 90s.

    At the same time the skills I learned about helping people and machines communicate via the net have kept me in work over these years despite not having that many paper qualifications (I don’t have a degree or anything like that…)

    I still look like a young Asian kid wearing sportswear most of the time though (people often can’t find me at raves as they are looking for an old bearded hippy – LOL )

    i hope most of us realised early on in the evolution of the scene it was a bit of a tightrope and has provided comfort for people wanting to drop out and do nothing constructive, as much as for those wanting to make a difference.

    now heres the rub.

    its one of the best observations made yet. we are a noisy stubborn minority, expensive in resources and generally wasteful. and if we dont want to make it all in the name of something progressive then much of the scene is just pure hedonsim.
    and if thats what were all really there for then at least be honest and say as much. if there is an underlying ethos (rather than a vague sense of wanting ‘freedom from oppression’ – sound familiar?) we should make more of it.

    rob wrote:
    i hope most of us realised early on in the evolution of the scene it was a bit of a tightrope and has provided comfort for people wanting to drop out and do nothing constructive, as much as for those wanting to make a difference.

    now heres the rub.

    its one of the best observations made yet. we are a noisy stubborn minority, expensive in resources and generally wasteful. and if we dont want to make it all in the name of something progressive then much of the scene is just pure hedonsim.
    and if thats what were all really there for then at least be honest and say as much.

    which to be fair on the “cheesy clubbers” who go on sites like DSI and attend raves like Gatecrasher, Tidytrax etc, this is exactly what they are doing. They are perfectly happy to pay the substantial ticket prices and accept the nanny state of cops, bouncers, defined start/finish times – and to go back to work from Monday to Friday, contributing to the market economy – without whinging and moaning about “babylon etc”.

    You don’t see a lot of incisive political comment on dontstayin.com..

    we can’t claim “oppression” as much now late night licensed music events are permitted and happen in certain parts of the country.

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    if there is an underlying ethos (rather than a vague sense of wanting ‘freedom from oppression’ – sound familiar?) we should make more of it.

    I think this is fundamental to the continued survival of these sort of lower-
    cost events, as well as (re?)integration with wider society.

    There is a spiritual case for being allowed free expression and art for all (not just the rich) even in a capitalist society; but ravers need to state their case in a positive manner by working a bit “smarter” and creating less “problems” as well as using the TENS system (and if the cops cave in to nimbyism then publicising this problem)

    As an example raves have happened even in zero tolerance areas – where the one local who stumbled across the event burst out laughing and said “its like Ibiza on my doorstep, I used to go to things like this when I was young, carry on until lunchtime if you want!” (needless to say not a single cop turned up)

    I’ve seen a building’s janitor arrive and send cops away after a rave, and saying to the crew “hang on, you left this building cleaner then when I locked it up!”

    so it can be done and should be done – unless ravers are prepared to be attending only events with £100 ticket prices and cop checkpoints on entry 5-10 years down the line..

    Basically i been goin partys for years and been a rudie fo’ years and been part ov jackin’ cru for years…:crazy_fre

    ….ive been reading this site fo a while and its got potential, apart from all u f====n fruitcake crying little sad country bumpkins. your always crying about chavs doing this and that. shut up. u lot get your selves so wrecked and cant handle your drugs that u get robbed n beaten by London cru, ha ha, its ya own faults!!!!!!:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:

    solution dont go London parties!!! simple p–s off!! :bounce_m:

    and ya see a ‘chav’/’rudie’ in a party – leave coz they gonna jack ya!!!!!!!!

    pussyholes, stop ya moaning and bitching, jus coz we dont shop in charity shops and smoke old holborn and we like decent music – jungle and HATE tekno, i mean what is that noise all about?????its a joke! thats another story.

    yeah the point is there aint no chav-crusty divide, apart from tha one you lot create with all ya moodiness.

    Sneer@ya! wrote:
    Basically i been goin partys for years and been a rudie fo’ years and been part ov jackin’ cru for years…:crazy_fre

    ….ive been reading this site fo a while and its got potential, apart from all u f====n fruitcake crying little sad country bumpkins. your always crying about chavs doing this and that. shut up. u lot get your selves so wrecked and cant handle your drugs that u get robbed n beaten by London cru, ha ha, its ya own faults!!!!!!:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:

    solution dont go London parties!!! simple p–s off!! :bounce_m:

    and ya see a ‘chav’/’rudie’ in a party – leave coz they gonna jack ya!!!!!!!!

    pussyholes, stop ya moaning and bitching, jus coz we dont shop in charity shops and smoke old holborn and we like decent music – jungle and HATE tekno, i mean what is that noise all about?????its a joke! thats another story.

    yeah the point is there aint no chav-crusty divide, apart from tha one you lot create with all ya moodiness.

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    had a wicked time at belatine celebrations

    lots of pure happiness plus plenty deep conversations

    music and parties can be a perfect way to build bridges

    so many people drifting around a bit lost, using escapism as the only way they know how to deal with so much in life they find instinctively wrong, but don’t know how to channel that feeling

    when you get people together through music and partyinging it’s like a river that knocks the sharp edges off the rocks, smoothes us out likes pebbles and can be a catalyst to finding common purpose

    positivity vibes

    and happy beltane

    liaphin wrote:
    hi

    i dont know your scene over there really much. have been there for some parties, some really crap and scary…some decent ones as well, which surely has been the efford of the soundsystem. i have spend more than a year now on squatjuice and finally gave up cause the general mood of the young partypeople just doent cope with mine at all and i find it really unconstructive, desillusionative, sad, etc…yes..it makes me angry as well cause seriousy i dont see the point of middle class kids ( kids at least able to access interent all day long…) playing the generation x and let themselve float in the mood of no hope, no love, being cool blabla. unch of opportunists if you ask me, cause the one i spoke personaly to were almost all agreeing with me – but in the forum caling me hippie, which took me a while to understand thats a insult !!!

    i dont want to blame the single kids/ persons/crews – it looks much more like a general problem of teh society over there ?!
    this isnt at all judgemental – more i would lieke to read some posts and what people which actually join the scene say. as well i think it may be interesting for you to read how someone from outside see the things.

    i can see a lot of comone things in the european party scene, in the difefernt countries…of course a lot controversialas as well. but NOWHERE else i found a scene so much rotten and sad as i found in the uk.

    tell me what you think 🙂

    unfortunately I AGREE WITH YOU 100%

    I am english and am a great britain but the tolerance and morals of alot of english youngsta’s is ubelievabely out of tone with any other country.

    For this I am ashamed and feel that the majority put shame to the english society.

    But not everyone here is like this only the self centered stuck up ya own arse norrow minded biggots go on squatjuice religously.

    I can tell you I know some really free minded people who respect and understand the meaning of free parties and pagens who love the earth and its habitats.

    There doesn’t seem to be anyone strong enough to show the brat camps the true meaning?

    or maybe I am wrong.

    what does everyone else think?

    Dutti B wrote:
    There doesn’t seem to be anyone strong enough to show the brat camps the true meaning?

    or maybe I am wrong.

    what does everyone else think?

    I can’t help but think family values and real friendships (not just small talk whilst hammered on drugs and then paranoia/mistrust on comedowns), communities and positive role models need to be emphasised more…

    It doesn’t mean you have to dress like a full on hippy and live in a yurt made out of recycled materials (unless you want to do such a thing) and it doesn’t mean you have to hide from bad news…

    but I sometimes get the idea that people have actually forgotten how to interact in a positive manner and depend on drugs to stop them wanting to fight and kill one another (if only for a few hours), also there are a lot of people about just using one another for what they can get instead of real friendships

    that said I’ve noticed some good things on here, there are a bunch of newer younger ravers who seem really clued up, are balancing their lifestyles with the rest of their responsibilities such as education/families etc and even when things get bad they are trying to sort themselves out and not to make all the same mistakes of previous generations..

    If you have some time check out this COOL website:
    http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=AYSEARG&key=BYV
    Rest-assured this is great entertainment!!!
    Also, check out the following website I came across:
    http://www.asian-man.com/asianmannew/main.htm
    It will knock your socks off!
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