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April 23, 2007 at 7:18 pm

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Eeeek this is getting awful serious-sounding now. Anyway, l hope you have space on your friends list to add me Digital-A dude!
April 23, 2007 at 7:23 pm

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Raj

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Prevention is better than the cure mate 😉
April 23, 2007 at 7:50 pm

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I hadn’t even read the wording of the petition lol

:weee: raaa
April 23, 2007 at 7:55 pm

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Playground Politics

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annyyway… who writes the code to this forum?
April 23, 2007 at 8:07 pm

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MisterDuck

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DynamicDon’tPanic wrote:

If you still want an illegal rave, then your rave will be illegal, so you will get what you want. And ppl that don’t want illegal raves will get what they want.

How, if raves were legal, would you make your rave illegal? By handing out guns on the door or something?

If raves were accepted within the legal system, corporations would jump on the chance. The entire image and culture behind raving would diminish into mass market media bollocks. If raves were made legal for non-profit (not likely in a capitalist society) then the organisers wouldn’t even have the funds to back future raves.

One thing is for sure: it isn’t going to happen. It’s impractical (safety measures, how can the police openly accept drug use etc.) and middle england certainly wouldn’t back it.

It wouldn’t work, and it would destroy the rave culture. Party goers are amazing people because they put in the effort to attend raves, the support for freedom of choice, and the lifestyle. You wouldn’t see a rave with drugs everywhere being completely legal…

IMO:

A bit more acceptance/tolerance: a good thing
Full-on legalisation: god no
April 23, 2007 at 8:43 pm

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chill out people, we all after the same thing, its just incredibly hard to define.

i would like to see the illegal freepartes that happen now not be hassled but supported by the police. if that were the only change id be well up for it.

in theory you can ask for a temporary event notice to do a rave on common ground, but i dont think anyones done it yet. so theres not been a freeparty that has been smiled on by the law in years. that should change. it will be hard tho.
April 23, 2007 at 9:11 pm

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globalloon

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boothy wrote:

How, if raves were legal, would you make your rave illegal? By handing out guns on the door or something?

If raves were accepted within the legal system, corporations would jump on the chance. The entire image and culture behind raving would diminish into mass market media bollocks.

some legal raves do have this corporate element already. some don’t (gener8or?)

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If raves were made legal for non-profit (not likely in a capitalist society) then the organisers wouldn’t even have the funds to back future raves.

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non-profit means that money made goes back into further events or to cover the costs of running said event, not doing something totally for free. I work for a not-for-profit organisation and we all get sensibly paid, but their is no director or share holders who takes home any surplus
April 23, 2007 at 9:13 pm

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lemonzorba

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*sigh*

there are legal raves with drugs and guns and everything – check out various clubs in any city in the country.

what makes raves out in the sticks is nothing to do with them being illegal – they were fun before the law changed.

talking about commercialisation of free parties is daft – free parties are currently the underside of the commercialisation of dance culture. remember at one time house music was very much a fringe activity.

festivals are legal – you’ve got your mainstream rubbish like t in the park or something, and you’ve got the more counterculture, more interesting stuff like bgg. the fact of making it legal does not change that.

i think the line between free parties and festivals is becoming increasingly blurred – indigo children are putting a “festival” on – its £25 to get in for the weekend and is legal. but my guess is you’d be hard pressed to see the difference between this year and last year when it was a free party other than an improvement in the facilities. is that a bad thing? the vibe will be the same.
April 23, 2007 at 9:17 pm

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MisterDuck

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lemonzorba wrote:

*sigh*

No need to be patronising. At least that’s how it came across.

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there are legal raves with drugs and guns and everything – check out various clubs in any city in the country.

what makes raves out in the sticks is nothing to do with them being illegal – they were fun before the law changed.

talking about commercialisation of free parties is daft – free parties are currently the underside of the commercialisation of dance culture. remember at one time house music was very much a fringe activity.

festivals are legal – you’ve got your mainstream rubbish like t in the park or something, and you’ve got the more counterculture, more interesting stuff like bgg. the fact of making it legal does not change that.

i think the line between free parties and festivals is becoming increasingly blurred – indigo children are putting a “festival” on – its £25 to get in for the weekend and is legal. but my guess is you’d be hard pressed to see the difference between this year and last year when it was a free party other than an improvement in the facilities. is that a bad thing? the vibe will be the same.

aye but to be fair glade is legal and look at the scrutiny that has come under in trying to get a license. particularly about the issue of illegal drugs.

to get licenses certain festivals DO have to compromise some of the factors of free parties.
April 23, 2007 at 9:49 pm

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globalloon

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boothy wrote:

No need to be patronising. At least that’s how it came across.

aye but to be fair glade is legal and look at the scrutiny that has come under in trying to get a license. particularly about the issue of illegal drugs.

to get licenses certain festivals DO have to compromise some of the factors of free parties.

you won’t get anywhere without compromising.
April 24, 2007 at 3:36 pm

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MisterDuck

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true i suppose, but isn’t it a combination of a lotta factors, which makes a free party what it is?

and many of these factors would be compromised, probably majorly… as for popularisation ‘cos it’s legal… it’s like Czech Tek and why it stopped innit….

i dunno, but i dont think it’ll happen anyway. not in this current political climate.

ah well. free, illegal, legal, huge, small… we’re all here to party innit raaa
April 24, 2007 at 3:41 pm

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Digital-A

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as long as ive got my saturday night in a barn, field or warehouse … im fine 😉
April 25, 2007 at 7:28 am

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Sound-Guy

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To be honest if i wanted to go to a legal party every weekend i’d know where to go. But free partys are about somthing else. I think like use said, maybe if they were not hassled by the police but supported by them it may make things a little easier for the rig crews ETC. That would be the only thing to change i reckon. Fuck gettin the whole thing legalised it will just open the gates to destroy the scene!!!
April 25, 2007 at 9:28 am

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globalloon

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can someone explain this to me

i don’t understand what it is that people wnat legalised…

1) there are already legal parties held all over the country every week

2) a free party only becomes illegal if a sec63 is issued

and i don’t understand why people think legal parties would destroy everything

1) parties are legal unless a sec63 is issued

2) parties and free festivals were always held before the CJA and the ‘scene’ wasn’t destroyed, it just grew and grew
April 25, 2007 at 9:28 am

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RawDirtyBass

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RAVES ARE LEGAL

and have been for a number of years, and the comerical band wagon was jumped on, SEONE used to be the home of some major squat parties and now its the home of some major legal raves

but people still prefer the free party vibe (or £5 squat venue) as the bar will be cheap the security won’t be looking out for nethin which might get their licence thaken away and you can do pretty much anything you want
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