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    Violence flared as police tried to break up an illegal rave involving up to 600 revellers on farmland in Essex.

    One officer suffered a severed fingertip, a patrol car was burnt out and missiles were thrown in the confrontation at Great Chesterford.

    Four police officers in total were hurt with injuries including a suspected broken collarbone and concussion.
    Police arrested 18 people at the site on Saturday on suspicion of conspiring to cause a public nuisance.

    At one point 40 revellers put their lives at risk by leaving the scene and attempting to cross the nearby M11 motorway on foot.

    Emergency roadblocks were erected and the motorway speed limit reduced to 40mph while the situation was brought under control…

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/essex/5290134.stm

    Banging heads off the monolith :head_bang…again…:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy..Played right into the hands of anybody who wants all raves to be dealt with by riot police…:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy

    Noising up the Police, and injuring the buggers is totally counter productive – they are only there doing their job for the most part…

    If the landowner asks you not to do it, what is the point in going ahead regardless – the police have all the powers they need since the CJA (and yeah, I know the CJA sucks, and shouldn’t ever have been made law, but it was, and that’s the world we have to deal with now…)

    If you’re doing a party, get permission from the landowner if you can. And if the nick turn up and say you’ve gotta turn it off – do so…Maybe then next time, they’ll be a bit more reasonable.

    Another way is to do it right in the middle of nowhere – where there are no people to noise up (if you cannae get your head round the fact that some people don’t want to hear dance music at 20k all night, imagine how you’d feel if 500 country and western fans turned up next to your house, and played Dolly Parton for 2 days solid at 20k – I’d go raj, so I can see why people who don’t like raves do…:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:)

    And people – can we get rid of the long throw subs on rigs please…They’re stupid, unnecessary, and in totally the wrong configuration for long throws on anything but the most excessive rig (like 50k with full infill etc)

    On a rig with no bass fill (radiators to cover the area up to about 35yards), and no mid/high satellites half way down your stadium, set up with delayed phase compensation to aim your long throws at, all you get is no bass next to the rig where people are dancing, but lots of bass in the next field. Or poor farmer Giles 2 miles away cannae sleep cos all he can hear is repetitive bang bang on the wind…:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:

    Build ported radiators (you can easily do a party with 1000 people, using these, and about 4k of active amplification). That way, the jenny needn’t be huge, transporting is relatively easy (meaning if you are asked to leave, you can up and take the party somewhere else:wink:), and less of the general public are noised up.

    Really, (and I’m gonna be brutal here cos I’m fed up with the mythology around sound systems) unless you are doing a party for 2,000+ people, you don’t need more than 4k…Anything else is just willy waving about how much juice your rig needs (I can get a good, un-distorted constant 115dB from 4k (actually running at about 3k, but the extra is headroom:biggreen:), with transient peaks up over 145dB. Good quality sound too, that won’t destroy your hearing with distortion (many rigs get this due to overdriving those long throws to try and compensate for the phase mis-match, and the fact that the 1st standing wave of the subs – the point where the fundamental, and harmonic resonances create a node and you can hear the sound properly – is about 12m or so from the rig, assuming perfect phase alignment with the rest of the speakers, and a perfect horn design that can manage to somehow be 4-6m in length – the flare is an exponential curve to maintain the acoustic transformer effect. Reality usually puts it at double that, as phase alignment is a difficult job:crazy:.) And we won’t even go into ‘scoop’ bins, cos I’ll just swear a lot…If you really want to know why not, go here and read:

    http://www.pykett.org.uk/vlf_repro.htm

    The H & S regulations (which are relatively ridiculous, as they use the dB scale, with no account taken of acoustic power at different frequencies:you_crazy) say sound amplification should produce no more than a constant 95dB if people are in the presence of it for up to 4 hours, and no more than 140dB peak level. Both of which are more than produced by a 4k rig (I measured it with a dB meter, at 5m. I break those regs, but most of the acoustic volume was bass, which is far less dangerous at high SPL than high/mid)

    If you really must have a spectacularly loud rig, go for sympathetic radiators (2 drivers playing exactly the same program material in a single ported box for each speaker). This really does drive the efficiency through the roof…raaa:cloud9::cloud9::cloud9:, but is still only short – medium throw, so has less likelihood of noising up said farmer Giles…:idea::idea::idea::you_crazy:you_crazy)

    Anyhow, rant almost over…Just to drum it all in, from the site listed above:

    As a result of this widespread pseudo-scientific situation a number of myths continue to circulate. Some are listed below; all are either untrue or only true within certain caveats:

    Horn loudspeakers can be relied upon to provide a better bass response than direct-radiating loudspeakers (those whose cones face direct into the room).

    Horns radiate with higher efficiencies than direct radiators

    A small sealed enclosure (mistakenly called an “infinite baffle”) can produce good bass if it is driven hard enough.

    Bass response is better from a loudspeaker in a corner of a room.

    There is no directivity at low frequencies, therefore it does not matter where the bass loudspeakers are placed in the room.

    How many of these do you subscribe to?

    The author is a doctor of physics, and has worked in the acoustic and DSP fields, and his hobby is Organs (pipe, electric etc, which he designs). Read his recommendation on the perfect speaker design….:weee::weee::weee:

    My roof is nice and high, and braced similarly….:bounce_fl:bounce_m::biggreen::biggreen:

    The neighbours are gonna wish I’d never found this…..:groucho:

    Sorry… Found a soap box….Got well out of hand…:lol_crash

    THIS WAS PUT ON ANOTHER SITE I USE

    but last night an act of extreme police brutality was unleashed upon our scene icon_cry.gif essex police raided this free party nr royston around 9pm last night (sat) smashing equipment,smashing ravers with batons and cs gas.admittedly our actions are illegal but they do not warrant this sort of violence from those who are meant to protect and to serve icon_mad.gif anyway to cut the story,35 arrests were made all equipment seized and numerous police and ravers were injured icon_sad.gif imo it was lucky they didnt start a full on riot,with what the police estimated as 600 ravers which was actully a lot nearer 1000 and rising and probabaly 100+ police(filth) with all the ravers parking up miles away outside the exclusion zone and trekking to the party,if the police had not of raided it,this was on to be a massive party,on land well out of the way and of minimum inconvenience to locals,in short we were only harming ourselves and should of been left alone to do so.in the end a lot of trouble was caused unecessarily and a lot of tax payers money wasted, and more importantly a another nail is hammered in to coffin of the free rave scene icon_cry.gif
    one last thing massive wespec to all those who put themselves at risk so that we can all fully enjoy our weekends….you know who you are icon_wink.gif

    AND THIS WAS A REPLY

    i was there.

    stop all this ‘police brutality’ rubbish!
    it sounds so pathetic, if you don’t want that kind of thing then, unfortuatlely, in this country, you dont go to illega;l raves. if you do go then you have to accept it might happen.
    they were a few incidents that were a bit over the top but it wasnt exactly unprovoked.

    doolittle wrote:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/5290134.stm

    I spoke to some friends who went there after my event and they said it was the cops who was starting the fighting

    Perfectly possible, but the media won’t portray it that way…

    We’ve gotta keep our heads, and always be more reasonable than the authorities, so it looks like they are over reacting.

    Bangin our heads off the monolith just ends with sore heads for us…They hold all the power to make these ridiculous laws. We have to make them seem totally un-necessary. The only other option is bloody revolution, and raves have always had the watchwords: Peace, Love and Respect.

    We can’t become like them, so we have to be better than them. If that means not reacting when they try to start a fight, then thats what we have to do…Sucks, but I don’t see a better way.

    Unless we can get the whole party scene mobilised at the next election, and vote in Lord Such…:weee:. Or maybe form the “We’re bloody well gonna have raves party”:groucho:

    The point still stands about the rigs though, cos that really is needless annoying of people we need to make see us as reasonable adults, instead of how many see ravers – as selfish kids, who don’t respect anyone, and won’t listen to someone who has a grievance with a rave landing next door…

    To a certain point, they have a point too. I was at Lechlade in Oxfordshire (good party…missed Castlemorton tho..:(..) Lechlade was a raj party, although like most raves there was no real trouble. I’ve been at lots of others pre CJA too, and it’s been different. At a point when the Tories were looking for something to nail the travellers with, and anything would do, we gave them all the ammunition they needed. Some of the things I saw were guaranteed to kick them off (car full of people hopping out at a roadblock, at the front of a convoy, and leathering the coppers so the convoy could get through. Police batton charging perfectly peaceful crowds, and starting a riot – stand up Thames Valley Nick – they are playing your tune). The aggro has been from both sides. Trouble is they hold all the cards, and we have to be intelligent to stop them walking all over us.

    Eat static summed up how we have to be – “We’re not dropping out, we’re infiltrating and taking over.”

    It’s slightly different here in Scotland – mainly cos there haven’t been any really raj parties, but also down to the fact that mostly when party crews have been asked to stop, they have. And when the nick turn up, they don’t want trouble for the most part. They are happy to ask you to turn it down a bit, and not go all week (although DIY did that in a flat in Edinburgh one time – had the matresses off the beds and up against the windows for sound insulation:crazy::crazy:)

    We’ve basically never had the boys in blue noise us up badly at a party we’ve done. They have only ever really turned up at the end (one time, we had this older copper turn up, who looked like he was enjoying the countryside walk more than anything else. He said “The farm over the way rang at 8 this morning, and told us you’d kept them awake all night.” So I says “Sorry. We’ll turn it off if you want. No problem. If they’d asked, we would have done it last night.” And he replies “Nah, it’s no problem. Just turn it down a bit. If they were awake all night, why didn’t they ring then!!! Still, got me out in the countryside, in the sunshine…” He was really sound, and obviously decided that we were no bother to anyone, and if he got more complaints, he’d have no problem sorting it.

    He knew we’d clean up the site after ourselves, and leave it in as good, if not a better state than we found it.

    And it’s like that for most of the crews I’ve known (a few exceptions, but there are always a few)…

    Simple fact is, we have to take the heat out of the confrontations. Cos if they start to use riot tactics regularly, we are buggered…And we only have to give them the excuse once. They’ll not be slow to pounce on it.

    This turned into another loooonnnng rant….Sorry…

    [media]http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news_web/video/9012da68004fe30/nb/09012da68004ff4e_16x9_nb.asx[/media]

    You have to let the clip finish download before it’ll play…

    good one noname

    i think you’re attitude is the right one

    i’ve been to quite a few parties in my area where someone from the crew has given their mobile number to first cops to turn up and asked them to call if their are any problems

    this attitude has kept parties peaceful and kept the cops, if not onside, at least reasonable, for years

    globalloon wrote:
    good one noname

    i think you’re attitude is the right one

    i’ve been to quite a few parties in my area where someone from the crew has given their mobile number to first cops to turn up and asked them to call if their are any problems

    this attitude has kept parties peaceful and kept the cops, if not onside, at least reasonable, for years

    Aye…somebody just has to have the balls to step up when they turn up, and be responsible (Raj and I usually do it if we organise a party. Done it at a few we didn’t organise too, when no-one else would…:hopeless::hopeless:).

    That’s really all they are looking for most times. It means if they want it stopped, then they know who to talk to, and if they want it turned down a bit, they can get it done. And if you tell them you’ll clean up afterwards, and try to make sure no-one try’s to drive under the influence (of alcohol, of course…:wink:), they will usually be perfectly happy. (They know what goes on obviously, but if they aren’t told about it, they don’t have to do anything, unless they have been specifically ordered to…Most just aren’t interested. They have to deal with saturday night drunks in town, and are aware that although raves have illicit drugs at them, the people are just not interested in causing trouble for the most part. Certainly nothing compared to saturday in most uk towns)

    What they don’t want is a lot of blank looks, and amnesic people (makes sense from their point of view – they know someone has to have organised something, and like to find that someone is properly organised). Also, being treated like an idiot will get anyone’s back up..

    Remember, they are doing a job. Most of them just want a relaxed day at work, where their world doesn’t go tits up (I’m gonna stick my neck out again with a fairly unpopular view to many partygoers I know, but it needs saying.) Contrary to what many people think, the police are not your enemy. They are just people – same as you. Unless they get specific orders to do something raj, most are not interested in trouble. And they do a hellishly difficult job that is nevertheless essential. Our world would be a much poorer and more dangerous place without them.

    Your enemy is the people who make the reactionary laws, and pander to what they think is the opinion of the most ‘voters’ (they are called politicians, media moguls, and News of the world/Daily mail journalists – or scumbags, buttmonkeys, or even out and out war criminals in some cases. A few are good people, but the powerful ones are generally not, because they have to be ass kissers to become powerful…:good_evil:good_evil:good_evil And power corrupts…)

    They are the people that shape public opinion, laws, and can order the coppers to baton charge a bunch of ravers…

    So next time try being friendly with any that turn up. and if you organise the party, find someone willing to be responsible… And lets hope this idiocy hasn’t soured the view of too many wrt ravers…

    Remember: Peace, Love, and Respect…That’s what it has always been about. Try and get out of your box, and into theirs to see their point of view – if you can do that, you become people to them, instead of ‘ravers’, or ‘the public’. And that’s most of the battle…

    ranting (again:shy:)…

    spot on once again, noname

    ere ere 😉 to right noname!
    hope everyone remembers that when this situation (or any really) arises again :weee: its the attitude of the future i guess :weee: hehe mmm.

    there have been far worse riots in this country over far worse issues; (such as racism or bitter industrial disputes) but fighting the TSG (riot) cops solves nothing. This isn’t the first time such an incident has happened at a rave either… things like this have gone on since the 1980s.

    The term TSG means Territorial Support Group – When cops put on that uniform it means they have been authorised by higher ranks to re-take a territory – to remove people from an area by force if necessary, including the use of batons, shields and irritant gas.

    some cops use excessive force doing so; but how many of us also have acquaintances who are always angry about something and can “start a fight in an empty house?” how many people (lads mostly but some girls as well) look up to “hard men?”, and how many of these kinds actually attend parties actually looking for trouble?

    I hate to say it but had that party been left to continue it wouldn’t have been all good for everyone.

    It would have gone right on until the middle of the week with about 5,000 people at peak times- but the aftermath would be the farmer would have been left with a churned up field with human shit dotted around it; probably a few bogged down vehicles with people being slow about leaving and claiming “squatters rights” merely because they are slow/they haven’t got money for fuel (often trying to blag the farmer)

    Maybe about 70% of the rubbish would be cleared up which is better than nothing but still not good enough. Its not so much the crews causing a problem but people tipping stuff out of their cars on the way out…

    there would also be a load of sleep-deprived drivers filtering on to a busy motorway.

    All this shit happens at many multi-day illegal raves but people often sweep it under the carpet (or hide it in the woods)

    I can’t help but also think that the angry people who were so eager to fight cops would have turned on each other or other ravers as the party progressed – robbing tents, people and fighting as the drugs and euphoria ran out.

    Friends attended and although things got nasty it wasn’t the entire crowd rioting – even the cops are admitting that to the national media. As many ravers were hit by bottles thrown into the crowd as police batons…

    People may not like what the Police do and how they do it if they are not listened to first time round but if the landowners/locals are being disturbed they expect the Police to do something about it.

    All land belongs to somebody and they expect cops to protect it if they are not allowed to keep their own guns to defend it as in America. Unless farmers are fully willing to tolerate an event (in which case why not just get one of the new temporary licenses?) or it is on abandoned or public access land the cops are always going to try and either monitor or close the event if they think it is too large.

    Raves may have been endured in the 1990s and early 2000s but the locals have had enough as rigs have got louder and more crews appeared.

    If people could continually overpower the “normal” police like what sometimes happens in other European countries this country would also have the gendarmes or militia with guns that are found elsewhere in the World.

    AS YOU WELL KNOW THERE WAS A RIOT ON THE ESSEX / CAMBRIDGESHIRE BORDER IN GREAT
    CHESTERFORD OVER AUGUST BANK HOLIDAY WEEKEND WHEN SEVERAL HUNDRED RIOT POLICE
    MOVED IN TO SHUT DOWN THE FESTIVAL ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON/EVENING. THERE WAS NO
    COMMUNICATION MADE BY THE POLICE TO THE ORGANISERS OR PEOPLE AT THE VENUE. THE
    ONLY ANNOUNCEMENTS MADE WERE BY A HELICOPTER WHICH IS FAIRLY HARD TO HEAR WHEN
    YOU HAVE A SOUND SYSTEM PLAYING LOUD MUSIC IN FRONT OF YOU.

    ALL SOUND SYSTEM’S WERE SEIZED, RIG VANS & AUDIO EQUIPMENT SMASHED TO PIECES BY
    RIOT POLICE. RIG OWNERS PERSONAL POSSESSIONS WERE ALSO SEIZED. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
    TOLD THE RIGS WILL NOT BE RETURNED UNTIL THE CASE HAS GONE TO COURT WHICH COULD
    BE YEARS.

    A LARGE NUMBER OF PARTY PEOPLE WERE INJURED AND SOME ARE STILL IN HOSPITAL TO
    THIS DAY. A GIRL RECEIVED A VERY SERIOUS NECK INJURY WHERE SHE WAS ASLEEP IN HER
    TENT AND RIOT POLICE PURPOSLELY TRAMPLED OVER IT. ONE PERSON MAY HAVE LOST THE
    SIGHT IN HIS EYE FROM WHERE A POLICE OFFICER BATTERED HIM AROUND THE HEAD WITH A
    BATTON FOR NO REASON, CS GAS WAS SPRAYED INTO CROWDS OF PEOPLE, IT WAS ALSO
    SPRAYED ON YOUNG GIRLS, CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 13. POLICE DOGS WERE ALLOWED
    TO ATTACK GIRLS, CHILDREN AND OTHER PEOPLE. AND MANY MANY OTHERS HAVE CUTS AND
    BRUISES FROM THIS AWFUL CASE OF POLICE BRUTALITY.

    THIS HAS TO BE THE WORST CASE OF POLICE BRUTALITY IN THE RAVE SCENE SINCE THE
    1990’S AND WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO SIT BY AND ACCEPT THAT THIS IS NORMAL
    BEHAVIOUR.

    SO IF YOU BELEIVE YOU WERE MISTREATED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAID TO SERVE AND
    PROTECT THE PUBLIC THEN COME TO THE PROTEST OUTSIDE HARLOW POLICE STATION AT 2PM
    ON SATURDAY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT AND HELP US FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO PARTY.

    IF YOU WERE HIT BY A POLICE OFFICER OR SUSTAINED AN INJURY OR HAD YOUR PROPERTY
    DAMAGED AND DONT WANT TO SEE THINGS LIKE THIS BECOMING A REGULAR OCCURANCE THEN
    COME AND STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELEIVE IN.

    THERE WILL BE PRESS FROM SEVERAL NEWSPAPERS PRESENT SO
    THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO GET OUR SIDE OF THE STORY ACROSS, THE TRUTH.

    THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A PEACEFUL PROTEST

    ADDRESS:

    HARLOW POLICE STATION.
    POST CODE: CM2 6DA
    2.PM
    ESSEX.

    = THANKYOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT =

    = SEE YOU THERE =

    = UNiTED SOUNDS =

    P.S NEXT UNiTED SOUNDS PARTY VERY SOON. WATCH THIS SPACE. DEM THINK ITS OVER BUT
    WERE NOT DONE YET………..

    unitedsounds@hotmail.co.uk

    _________________
    jonahug

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