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February 16, 2008 at 1:11 pm

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GiantMidget

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Tek Offensive wrote:

they make it sound like we drag huge soundsystems across the country purely to annoy people!

what about our right to dance and do what the fuck we want.

I reckon we should say that them stopping us is against our human rights! Every other fucker who says that gets away with murder! I think we gotta start saying this!:love:
February 16, 2008 at 1:48 pm

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General Lighting

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DJCliffy wrote:

I reckon we should say that them stopping us is against our human rights! Every other fucker who says that gets away with murder! I think we gotta start saying this!:love:

unfortunately thats already been done about 8-9 years ago… (especially after a notorious incident where the cops fired CS gas into a closed warehouse)

the cops even had to slack off for a bit but the locals fought back on the same tip and said their human rights were being infringed..
February 16, 2008 at 1:54 pm

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General Lighting wrote:

unfortunately thats already been done about 8-9 years ago… (especially after a notorious incident where the cops fired CS gas into a closed warehouse)

the cops even had to slack off for a bit but the locals fought back on the same tip and said their human rights were being infringed..

Ah Well next time a copper tries stepping on me, i’m gonna say this to em and see what there reaction is! Although it’ll probably result in me being thrown in the van!:you_crazy
February 16, 2008 at 4:30 pm

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jack_daniels

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or hit.
maybe even possibly bitten by a dog
February 16, 2008 at 4:37 pm

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jack_daniels

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General Lighting wrote:

unfortunately thats already been done about 8-9 years ago… (especially after a notorious incident where the cops fired CS gas into a closed warehouse)

the cops even had to slack off for a bit but the locals fought back on the same tip and said their human rights were being infringed..

A norfolk party a few years ago near norwich airport was busted really bad.

Old Bill even told us if we didnt leave now we would be hurt. Riot police on the way. many people was inside the warehouse already, OB has it all secured and started marching people down the bottom of the road. there was a main road at the end of the industrial estate, on the other side was a grass verge everyone had to go stand on that if we moved of it we was hit. A member of the public stopped to say that the cant do it. they said ‘get back in your car and go or the same would happen to you’ shocked driver drove off. a few people were still in with sound system sitting on it and around it OB picked them up one by one and removed them.
February 16, 2008 at 5:28 pm

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jack_daniels wrote:

A norfolk party a few years ago near norwich airport was busted really bad.

Old Bill even told us if we didnt leave now we would be hurt. Riot police on the way. many people was inside the warehouse already, OB has it all secured and started marching people down the bottom of the road. there was a main road at the end of the industrial estate, on the other side was a grass verge everyone had to go stand on that if we moved of it we was hit. A member of the public stopped to say that the cant do it. they said ‘get back in your car and go or the same would happen to you’ shocked driver drove off. a few people were still in with sound system sitting on it and around it OB picked them up one by one and removed them.

Thats fucking grim man. I’m gonna bring a camcorder to raves from now on and if i see shit like that i’m going to covertly film em. Surely with that sort of crap you could get the OB done?!
February 16, 2008 at 5:45 pm

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I think the incident jack_daniels mentions is the same one I was referring to (I wasn’t living in East Anglia at the time but heard about it from those people who were living in the area). It did have a short term effect where even cops admitted it was abit excessive but this was at a time when ravers were viewed more as “mischevious youths” as opposed to anti-social criminals.

people ranging from trained and respected journalists to individual activists have filmed the cops doing “wrong stuff” but even then its had no real effect.

Cops know this sort of action will not be a popular and that people may get hurt on both sides. They authorise the junior ranks to remove their identifier numbers and even their force badges/shields (replacing these by the two letter force ID code on their helmets). This is deliberately done so the cops can feel able to “act as a unit” and not be worried about being singled out as individuals.

When the Royal Anglians retake an area held by a mob in Kabul they are not wearing individual ID’s on their shoulders (even though all soldiers have a service number). This is what it has come to – traditional societys norms have broken down so paramilitary force is used.

The harsh reality is that because of the actions of a significant minority of ravers (not just in Norfolk!), there are now less and less “liberal minded members of the public” willing to defend their “rights to party” and more who support the Police in their actions to close down these events, however much force is used.
February 16, 2008 at 6:14 pm

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jack_daniels

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DJCliffy wrote:

Thats fucking grim man. I’m gonna bring a camcorder to raves from now on and if i see shit like that i’m going to covertly film em. Surely with that sort of crap you could get the OB done?!

i have all so witnessed police smashing peoples cameras and camcorders to bits when they have been recording.
February 16, 2008 at 6:17 pm

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jack_daniels

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General Lighting wrote:

I think the incident jack_daniels mentions is the same one I was referring to (I wasn’t living in East Anglia at the time but heard about it from those people who were living in the area). It did have a short term effect where even cops admitted it was abit excessive but this was at a time when ravers were viewed more as “mischevious youths” as opposed to anti-social criminals.

people ranging from trained and respected journalists to individual activists have filmed the cops doing “wrong stuff” but even then its had no real effect.

Cops know this sort of action will not be a popular and that people may get hurt on both sides. They authorise the junior ranks to remove their identifier numbers and even their force badges/shields (replacing these by the two letter force ID code on their helmets). This is deliberately done so the cops can feel able to “act as a unit” and not be worried about being singled out as individuals.

When the Royal Anglians retake an area held by a mob in Kabul they are not wearing individual ID’s on their shoulders (even though all soldiers have a service number). This is what it has come to – traditional societys norms have broken down so paramilitary force is used.

The harsh reality is that because of the actions of a significant minority of ravers (not just in Norfolk!), there are now less and less “liberal minded members of the public” willing to defend their “rights to party” and more who support the Police in their actions to close down these events, however much force is used.

i thought the old bill was allowed by law to take badges off when in riot gear :confused:
February 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm

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General Lighting

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jack_daniels wrote:

i thought the old bill was allowed by law to take badges off when in riot gear :confused:

its been going one since before I was born and was commonplace by the time of the Brixton riots (I used to research stuff like this even as a small boy, would sit up all night watching those riots etc I bet if this was today my parents would have ended up being investigated by social services :laugh_at:)

modern police uniforms even put the numbers on velcro for this very reason…

its not even so much a defined “law” but a consensus of what the wider public will accept from the Police, and a change in British society in the 1970s (particularly amongst city/urban working class groups) that they would no longer blindly accept the Police dictating how they should behave.

Despite a few student protest there wasn’t a need for a riot squad until the mid 1970s as to a large extent people just obeyed what the cops said or eventually dispersed.

Then the cops “lost” a few key battles on the streets of London with many getting hurt on both sides (the race riots of the 1970s). There were a fair few serious riots during the 1980s as well as conflicts associated with the miners strike and the anti nuclear campaigners..

However today most normal people would still disagree with the police going in heavy to break up a “stop NHS budget cuts” march, or even a climate change or anti-war or anti-nuclear protest (even if they aren’t exactly eco warriors themselves).

Unfortunately ravers have gained such a bad reputation in recent times (especially as the negative effects of too much drug use affect others in society) that less and less people are willng to stick up for them.
February 16, 2008 at 7:20 pm

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jack_daniels

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General Lighting wrote:

its been going one since before I was born and was commonplace by the time of the Brixton riots (I used to research stuff like this even as a small boy, would sit up all night watching those riots etc I bet if this was today my parents would have ended up being investigated by social services :laugh_at:)

modern police uniforms even put the numbers on velcro for this very reason…

its not even so much a defined “law” but a consensus of what the wider public will accept from the Police, and a change in British society in the 1970s (particularly amongst city/urban working class groups) that they would no longer blindly accept the Police dictating how they should behave.

Despite a few student protest there wasn’t a need for a riot squad until the mid 1970s as to a large extent people just obeyed what the cops said or eventually dispersed.

Then the cops “lost” a few key battles on the streets of London with many getting hurt on both sides (the race riots of the 1970s). There were a fair few serious riots during the 1980s as well as conflicts associated with the miners strike and the anti nuclear campaigners..

However today most normal people would still disagree with the police going in heavy to break up a “stop NHS budget cuts” march, or even a climate change or anti-war or anti-nuclear protest (even if they aren’t exactly eco warriors themselves).

Unfortunately ravers have gained such a bad reputation in recent times (especially as the negative effects of too much drug use affect others in society) that less and less people are willng to stick up for them.

yes mate very true indeed. there isnt one thing that is helping the ravers out. such as big brother for example no offence to anyone but they could have have found at least a intelligent raver to go inside the house rather that that tracy who just shouts ‘ave it’. she also has pictures posing with someone infront of that smashed old bill car at that norfolk/suffolk party.

sorry going on abit going lay down
February 17, 2008 at 5:02 pm

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General Lighting

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jack_daniels wrote:

yes mate very true indeed. there isnt one thing that is helping the ravers out. such as big brother for example no offence to anyone but they could have have found at least a intelligent raver to go inside the house rather that that tracy who just shouts ‘ave it’. she also has pictures posing with someone infront of that smashed old bill car at that norfolk/suffolk party.

to be fair tracee on her own initially just came across as a harmless “cartoon type” character.

What did do a lot of damage was the photo next to the smashed police car,leaked to the press (along with loads of personal stuff about her) by so-called “friends”.

It was also this incident which tipped the balance with regard to ravers being seen as yobs, plus on a personal level the cost of it would have come out of my own council tax as I happen to live fairly nearby!

what is really worrying though is the cops seem to be getting smarter whilst ravers are becoming dumber – its no longer a village bobby saying “this is a rum owd dew…” but major crime investigation teams (inspired and assisted by their counterparts in other areas where raves have been successfully deterred)

They are holding people accountable for everything illegal that may happen at an unlicensed party, whilst some ravers don’t seem to realise that bragging about these events on youtube etc and being blatant about drug/use dealing will get them in trouble…
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