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      boothy wrote:
      yeah many people on squatjuice includin meself started messaging people on youtube asking for the videos to be taken down. unfortunately the damage was probably done.

      It’s great to see people on SJ for once agree on something :weee:

      But I can’t understand why it should be necessary ..

      Are people really that stupid ? :you_crazy:you_crazy

      It should be logic for everybody that you don’t do things like that,so many

      people can get in serious trouble when pictures and movies are posted..

      I can’t recall seeing any pictures on SJ or other videos than the one posted here,but somebody always post pictures with rig names on :hopeless:

      They should be ashamed of themselves :you_smart:you_smart

      RANT over :mkay:

      Sandals wrote:
      Lol sorry, i really never heard you shouting me. Haha what i meant was i wasnt all ketamised .. so i was sober in that sence. Plus the acid was only just kicking in so i was pretty much normal. :p

      Ok Ok i will let you off then! TBH i am not sure how loud my shouting was i as i was enjoying my mini gurnathon i was having in the car.

      What happened to my pet stone you were supposed to make 😛

      :laugh_at:

      Josie wrote:
      Didn’t go to the party on the weekend (wish I did though!), it seems that we are losing our freedom a bit in Cymru with regards to parties etc – does anyone think we pissed on our chips with the UKtek on Bettws Common 2005?

      As for the policing of the weekends party, they call in forces from all over the country to sort out a rave (incl helcopter and all!) and there are kids being stabbed and shot left right and centre in London but it’s okay to summon the help of all the other forces to break up a poxie free party and waste taxpayers money… but why aren’t they helping city police with REAL crime such as this so-called “gang-land” problem? My old girl (aged 55 and as straight as they come) was having this debate with my old man this morning – she has sympathy with ravers, bless!

      Does anyone else think that the Welsh free-party scene is underthreat?:group_hug

      up untill betwwes common we was doing little partys everyother weekend the cops never bothered us just told us to keep the sound down and somtimes had a cup of tea with us . but since uktek 2005 its very difficult to do anything small . there is a crew called whos the daddy from swansea they have only taken there rig out once since uktek and that got busted.

      boothy wrote:
      yeah many people on squatjuice includin meself started messaging people on youtube asking for the videos to be taken down. unfortunately the damage was probably done.

      Ta Boothy, i picked that up by the wrong end, thought it was video catching police in the act, being rough and then low an behold it gets disappeared.

      tarifa wrote:
      Ta Boothy, i picked that up by the wrong end, thought it was video catching police in the act, being rough and then low an behold it gets disappeared.

      nah, this doesn’t happen any more

      cops might be thugs sometimes but they are smarter thugs than what they used to be – when they go this far as to use force to clear an area, a senior officer (“gold command”) has already prepared for the backlash from the “do-gooders” (i.e got the press office and spin doctors on standby) and they know about youtube and cameraphones and “citizen journalism”

      Rather than “suppress free speech at source” cops let these things go on youtube, then they can work out from the data trail who might have had the camera or mobile with the original footage.

      This footage then becomes “evidence” of the incident that prompted them to deploy TSG (“riot squad”) and they even have the power to force youtube to divulge who uploaded it.

      One lad from round here had his camera and tapes seized for months, it was returned but his was also used to convict people for public order offences.

      Riot cops tend not to pick fights they can’t win, both at the front line and in the media…

      riot cops are undoubtedly the worst type of british copper that most people will witness imo… vicious bastards trained in agression and speed…

      one of me erm… “associates” (not a mate at all) his dad is a riot copper – and he’s a wanker, complete psycho scouser, no limits at all. stick a metal truncheon, a uniform and some authority on him and the result is just ridiculous.

      theres a unit of coppers in manchester called “unit D” or summat, they are the riot coppers, ruthless wankers. the other police units openly speak out against them and dislike them because they give law enforcement and coppers in general a bad name. they gotta be bad if their colleagues are gettin on their back.

      General Lighting wrote:
      nah, this doesn’t happen any more

      cops might be thugs sometimes but they are smarter thugs than what they used to be – when they go this far as to use force to clear an area, a senior officer (“gold command”) has already prepared for the backlash from the “do-gooders” (i.e got the press office and spin doctors on standby) and they know about youtube and cameraphones and “citizen journalism”

      Rather than “suppress free speech at source” cops let these things go on youtube, then they can work out from the data trail who might have had the camera or mobile with the original footage.

      This footage then becomes “evidence” of the incident that prompted them to deploy TSG (“riot squad”) and they even have the power to force youtube to divulge who uploaded it.

      One lad from round here had his camera and tapes seized for months, it was returned but his was also used to convict people for public order offences.

      Riot cops tend not to pick fights they can’t win, both at the front line and in the media…

      Ta GL (for the laska too :wink:)

      Christ this is a different type of creature than i was used to, showing my age now but in the old days even at the end eg Castle Morton, it was a bit different.

      Not sure which i prefer, stupid or clever cops hmmmmm. :scared:

      tarifa wrote:
      Ta GL (for the laska too :wink:)

      Christ this is a different type of creature than i was used to, showing my age now but in the old days even at the end eg Castle Morton, it was a bit different.
      Not sure which i prefer, stupid or clever cops hmmmmm. :scared:

      the worst ones for the rave scene IMO aren’t riot cops (they only appear if people really take the piss..)

      its gonna be the new breed of “blair bobby”, the politically correct ones who are now slowly but surely picking apart such issues associated with the rave scene such as environmental contamination, the healthcare costs of drug use, “child protection” issues (a lot of ravers are either <18 themselves or young parents), even occasional domestic/family violence due to mental health issues caused by excessive drug use..

      these problems are rare but they do happen..

      the tide is slowly turning now as two whole generations are part of the free party scene, but its going to be a battle of minds for the support of the rest of society…

      yeah in terms of the rave scene itself riot coppers aren’t that influencial or needed much i dont think.

      but in terms of in society in general… i have a real problem with riot coppers, some of the scenes when we go watch footy are bloody shockin!

      boothy wrote:
      yeah in terms of the rave scene itself riot coppers aren’t that influencial or needed much i dont think.

      but in terms of in society in general… i have a real problem with riot coppers, some of the scenes when we go watch footy are bloody shockin!

      I agree with what you say here but TBH football is a lot more agrressive, macho and tribal than the rave scene should be, and far more people out of both sides of rival players plus the OB (many of whom in these situations are specials, they too can be riot cops after training) are all up for a ruck.

      At a decent rave this isn’t and never should be the case.

      OTOH I do think at least half the British population are fairly decent, they don’t really want to see constant incidents of police brutality against anyone (compared to many nations the UK is still fairly good) – most are at least tolerant even if they don’t want to rave or take drugs – they don’t mind as long as a party or the lifestyle doesn’t cause problems to others.

      Many people in their late 20s to 40s who grew up with raves are now parents, managers or higher earners/property owners and have greater power in society. I know whole families who attend raves together these days!

      Some mistakes have been made by my generation of ravers in the past, but even so I think society is being suprisingly tolerant still. We are at a turning point IMO and have a chance to get our culture at least accepted by wider society.

      It doesn’t mean we have to have legal commercial raves organised by the state, simply that you average joe or Joanne doesn’t feel they have to dial 999 the moment they see more than 5 cars gathering late at night near certain forests, nor do the cops feel they have to investigate.

      yeah more acceptance and tolerance would be great, without full-on legalisation imo.

      a lotta younger teachers in our school are quite erm… indifferent to safe drug use, and as for raves, they are joked about quite a lot!

      what suprised me recently was we were allowed to stick posters around school advertising a year 11 leaving party in some random’s field (10 days left :groucho:) which was obviously illegal and even made some small reference to drug use, they haven’t been taken down….

      although it’s in our common room – our head of year is 26, so thats probably why. i don’t think the headteacher (authoritarian twat!) would be too happy is he saw :laugh_at:

      n on the riot police thing… i’m watching grimsby vs. lincoln this weekend, local derby. the match has to start 2 hours earlier and the pubs around the grounds are closed, to stop violence. pathetic :you_crazy

      the riot coppers really do aggravate the situation though, and revel in it. many times they are the ones actually creating the hostility and “attacking” first. not out of nothing, they wudnt get away with that… but say one or two people are hurling abuse and throw a bottle outta a huge group, which are mainly innocent… they use it as an excuse to wave in batons flyin.

      boothy wrote:
      n on the riot police thing… i’m watching grimsby vs. lincoln this weekend, local derby. the match has to start 2 hours earlier and the pubs around the grounds are closed, to stop violence. pathetic :you_crazy

      the riot coppers really do aggravate the situation though, and revel in it. many times they are the ones actually creating the hostility and “attacking” first. not out of nothing, they wudnt get away with that… but say one or two people are hurling abuse and throw a bottle outta a huge group, which are mainly innocent… they use it as an excuse to wave in batons flyin.

      I know a lot of people who go to football matches just to fight and cause trouble…. Some of them are that bad even their Dad’s go along and fight. :you_crazy

      I really dont think it would be any better without riot police TBH it would be worse, if people behaved the police wouldn’t come in waving battons..

      yeah i’m not defendin footy violence or sayin it doesn’t exist

      and yeah there is need for riot police in these situations

      all i’m saying is at the moment the level of aggression and the attitude of the riot police makes ’em no better than the footy fans. you got 3 groups, 2 diff. sets of supporters and the coppers, all 3 groups wanna knock someone about a bit.

      it’s the general aggression and how “up for it” the riot coppers are, even if there is no trouble kickin off :you_crazy

      boothy wrote:
      it’s the general aggression and how “up for it” the riot coppers are, even if there is no trouble kickin off :you_crazy

      SWIM[1] years ago used to listen to radio scanners, on which you could pick up the cop frequencies before they had airwave radios.

      On footy day most of the callsigns you’d hear were allocated to Special Constabulary. Many join up for fun (and they are allowed to wear riot gear if the situation warrants it) and this sort of volunteer force obviously attracts those who have otherwise boring lives and are “up for a bit of action”. Specials often make up the complement of serials tasked to weekend events such as raves, as otherwise the senior officers can’t get enough resources to deal with the situation.

      Worst of all, unlike normal cops they can get in a ruck and although they might get kicked out of the specials they won’t lose their day jobs which removes any financial incentive to behave well – many “hobby bobbies” realise this.

      this is one of the times when I actually agree with a lot of normal serving Police officers, the Special Constabulary should be abolished IMO and those who wish to become a constable or PCSO should join in the normal manner and be made fully accountable for their actions if things go wrong (and the loss of their badge, shield and salary is still a big driver for them to at least look like they are following the rules)

      Other Commonwealth countries have similar volunteer forces, that are known for their bruality (they are actually a throwback from the middle ages when each village would have only a Constable and then various farmworkers and other men who “though they were hard enough” would assist him on the Watch (as the patrol was called).

      In Malaysia they are called the Reki; when assisting on a “purge of suspected illegal immigrants” (usually cleaners from Indonesia and the Phillipines), it ended up with 5 immigrants being executed without trial and dumped in a lake.

      [1] someone who isn’t me

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