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Green Goddesses reach end of road
Green Goddess fire engines could have reached the end of the road, as the government says they are not needed.
Forty of the Bedford vehicles, based in Marchington, Staffordshire, and built in the 1950s, are to be auctioned.
The engines became famous in the fire strikes of 1977 and more recently in the firefighters’ dispute of 2002-2003.
The country’s entire fleet of 1,000 engines could be sold off if the sale, organised by Witham Specialist Vehicles of Colsterworth, Lincs, is a success.
The 40 engines go on sale from 21 February.
The Green Goddess fleet has served us well in emergencies Nick Raynsford, Fire and Rescue Service Minister |
The Green Goddesses were used by the armed forces to cover for striking crews.
But new arrangements put in place since the last fire strike mean that in the event of future industrial action, the military crews should have access to a reserve of modern red fire engines.
Fire and Rescue Service Minister Nick Raynsford said: “The Green Goddess fleet has served us well in emergencies but with now being able to use modern fire appliances as part of our contingency planning arrangements, we are looking at its future.
“The sale of these 40 vehicles is part of this process and is essentially to test the market.
“No decisions have yet been made on the remaining fleet though we are looking at all options.
“This is all about making the public safer and delivering on our commitment to modernise the fire and rescue service.”
The Green Goddesses were built in the 1950s to equip the Auxiliary Fire Service (AFS), a civilian volunteer force created to fight fires and pump water in the event of a nuclear attack on Britain. After the AFS was disbanded in 1968, the fire engines were put into storage for use in emergencies such as flooding or strikes.
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ruud!
we are looking out for a cheap van, does anyone know the price? i hope that coz their flogging the lot, they will be cheap. maybe if i got a few interested parties we could get a group discount?
on the other hand, they might be well old and knackered, having been in service for so long (even with the long haiatus).
they do look the biz, tho!
bbc, 2002:
The Green Goddess fleet is cared for by the private transport firm TNT at an aircraft hanger near Uttoxeter, in Staffordshire.
According to the government, the engines are “regularly serviced to ensure that they remain in a fully operational condition”.
Just before being handed over to TNT in 1990, ministers boasted that of the 218 engines housed at Bruntingthorpe aerodrome, 215 were ready for immediate action.
Operation Fresco:
827 Green Goddesses: Crew of six soldiers, with a specially trained driver and led by a Non-Commissioned Officer.
331 Breathing Apparatus Rescue Teams: Three-man RAF or Royal Navy firefighter teams equipped to enter smoke-filled buildings.
59 Rescue Equipment Support Teams: RAF or Royal Navy firefighters trained to use specialist rescue equipment.
The Green Goddess is so easy to maintain precisely because it was designed to be a very simple machine, used by a crew not trained in advanced firefighting techniques.
bonus!
£3,500? bollocks! still tempted tho, even tho i have none of that money 😡
unfortunately all petrol-engined and <10mpg (thought there would be diesel variants) as well like – neither cost-effective nor environmentally friendly 🙁
Wonder if it would be possible to refit with a diesel engine (the petrol engine could be sold off to someone else who wants to refit a bedford vehicle and can afford the fuel costs like one of those old boys who collect all sorts of buses)?
aaahhh….fuck that. nice idea, tho.
next!
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VW LT series? tried and tested models amongst our lot 🙂
what i’m really after is a nice big box van..never have to upgrade, then (gettin ahead of myself as usual :rolleyes: ) thats what we’ve been hiring, and we stuck a sofa in the back once, was fucking lush havin a crew lounge… felt well smug!
seen a few ex-BT ones used as well.
a friend of mine is looking into getting a new van to turn into a mobile internet café as well as party support vehicle
however you are “supposed” to have an LGV license (as opposed to just a car license) for a 7.5t box van unless
– you have authority to be in occupation at both bits of land where the van is going to be (being a squatter should be OK though!)
– its a “play bus/recreational facility” for a non profit organisation 😉
– the van is a really old one.
it doesn’t cause too many problems in practice TBH but I think a lot of the crew van drivers I’ve known actually do have an LGV license as they drive such vans for their work – if you didn’t it would have to be a particularly zealous traffic cop who gets you on that one but there are plenty about (particularly in TVP, surpol and hantspol areas!) and I’ve known them to try.
I’ve attached the DVLA leaflet anyway.
the problem with traffic violations and fines is people think they are “nothing”, forget them or can’t afford to pay the fine (or aren’t backed up by a crews contingency fund) and then blam – jail for non payment 🙁 too many of my friends gone down that way over the years…
the internet van sounds sick- my brother works in telecoms, and can sort out temporary internet wireless hotspots from work (he once rang up his office when we were on the beach, and got it sorted in about half an hour!) so it would be cool to bring that to a rave (if a bit pointless).
ex BT sounds good, there a decent size…what i’m on about is this badboy….
http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/onestop/tos_overview/tos_boxvan
bring the fucking ruckus…
sorry, shite link for some reason 😕
Something you don’t know till you contact the company is that £3500 + VAT buys you a really shite one. Anything any good is at least £6500 + VAT, so read nearly £8000.
Basically, they have just put £3500 to attract business. Not that they are lying scallys or anything.
They are of no use as a van unless you take the body off and put a new one on – say £5k? So for £13k you could have yourself a decent van.
The GGs are really only and good as a…. well…. fire engine. In fact those people that have used them seem to feel they are not much good for that either…..
Might I suggest Autotrader?
Hi
Someone’s got 20 Routemaster buses on eBay.The one in the advert’s got a recent Scania engine.And they’re all diesel.Now that sounds like a more practical set of wheels.The Goddesses are very cool but who can run a 5 litre petrol these days?
If the big red london bus idea interests you there may be bargains to be had.The compensation culture’s just swept them all off the London streets.That Appleton bird bought her hubby Liam Howlett one from Ensignbus who are handling sales.
Good luck!
couldnt find the routemasters in ebay- found 1 being sold from quebec ????
Hi
The ad on eBay is number 4529855217.A bit expensive but there must be a few thousand of these up for grabs.Put “ensignbus”in your search engine.Another idea is to go to Barnsley where they scrap the buses and buy one from there.My cousin’s a bus nut and he’s bought runners for 500 quid!
Good luck!
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