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I’m trying to gather some information about rave culture’s history on the Internet – particularly the free party/ DiY scene – for a chapter I’m writing for my thesis and I’d like to pick your brains…
I was hoping that some of you (esp. those older heads :))would share your experiences with me and also any knowledge/ information you have about rave culture’s migration on to the Internet (what was the first rave website? what was it used for?)
When did you first start using rave forums? What forums/ websites do you visit? What do you get out of them/ what do you use them for? How has rave culture’s presence on the Internet changed over the years?
I’d love to hear your stories and experiences – a little trip down memory lane….
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vicky
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gl’s your man for this info i recon, fountain of internet history that he is.
i had been putting on raves since only 2001 and i was doing a uni project on designing a rave site that was lightwieght, portable, safe, fractal, interesting, beautiful etc, and needed some supporting photos of the events. was directed here by someone at a bristol rave. had never used a forum before, so i stuck my head round. i think my first post was here: as far as i can rmember http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1129&highlight=native+beats+washout
so im not exactly an old hand!
i use http://www.squatjuice.com for networking and keeping my ear to the ground (its partyvibe’s evil twin) it has a lot more traffic, and more parties listed, but they are all just uk freeparty, very narrow minded, blinkered veiw of whats going on. also full of drug fucked retards who spend all theirtime taking their own shortcoming out on everyone else. btu if i want to catch up with people ive done raves with, thats where i go. “foul and despicable place” is right.
http://www.psy-forum.co.uk/ is a much more happy vibe, as you woudl expect from a siteascociated wih that type of music. i really just use it to keep in contact with a few heads from bristol, and its good for a chat, but its a little too happy happy for me. pv has a nice balance.
http://www.vjforums.co.uk is exactly what it says on the tin. ive only recently joined but the ammount of quality info about vjing isincredible, and its full of helpful people. a little lacking in the criticism side, due to massive egos, but great none the less.
http://www.dogsonacid.com/ i go to occasionally, but its way mainstream and a bit boring i think. a lot of my mates swear by it, but im not a big fan. heavy traffic tho.
in a word: security. even in just the last two years ive seen less and less illegal parties (what i would call proper free parties) advertised on the net, becasue of teh perceived police presence on teh forums. squatjuice in particular, because it used ot be totally unmoderated, and because of the paranoia that goes with drug use, never a day went by when someone was accusedof being a copper. and to be hinest once or twice it seemed quite likely. also recently they took thei gallery down as it was used as evidence against a soundsystem in court.
on here i have only had to remove one or two posts ever, and that was either because of people beingoverly offnsive, or giving out too much info on the net. i constantly get requests for partylines, which i am just not going to give out unless there are exceptional circumstances (like they can prove they are a freind of a freind and the middle man can vouch for them) its a sad state of affairs, and for a while i wondered what the point of partyvibe was if you couldnt advertise raves, but then i realised how far the rave scene could progress, and saw this as an important meeting point for people who wanted to push things forward.
as for recollections, im sure there are lots scattered around the site, i’ll sort u out some links.
if your interested, my freeparty crew;s site is here more info on the same crew is here and a load of press relating to it all is here.
the first rave internet communities were the usenet groups, a rather clunky “extended group email” type system which is text only.
alt.rave was the first one (international). I sent the “control” message to create this in around 1992 (before the Internet was pubically available) – got me in 2300 hectares of shit which culminated in me having to leave University…
uk.music.rave was a more UK specific one. I believe some chaps in Bristol set it up in 1994 or so.
Both were unmoderated so were eventually destroyed by spam, trolls and people who did not accept the right of others to rave or take drugs. postings to usenet groups also were insecure as their headers contained technical info that someone could potentially use to find out where someone lived or worked; often if people did not agree with someone they would complain to their employers if it came from a workplace PC!
nowadays usenet is blocked in many workplaces, although it (and the above two groups) still exist.
The first really decent website on the subject or raving was hyperreal.org as I remember it…
thanks
Use: PV’s evil twin eh? I do agree with you about the security issue and tbh that’s one of the things that makes me want to write about the culture – how does a culture whose activities are rendered illegal by the authorities, assaulted and undermined on all sides, maintain a sense of community – particularly on the Internet where there seems to be the greatest freedom and yet the greatest paranoia and potential threat (“anonymity” is a double-edged sword). I was wondering if Internet evidence has been used by the police yet to prosecute in court – I guess from your response it has – do you know any more about this?
GL: I’m not too familiar with Usenet groups – I’ve just checked out the ones you were talking about so i’ll spend a bit of time looking through them. Your story intrigued me though – I hope we get to talk about it!
Site: hyperreal is an old favourite and the first rave website i ever visited – though i am a bit of a novice and self-declared techno-midget!
Globalloon: you need to sort your tongue out dude – ther’s some mildew growing on it 😉
Use: PV’s evil twin eh? I do agree with you about the security issue and tbh that’s one of the things that makes me want to write about the culture – how does a culture whose activities are rendered illegal by the authorities, assaulted and undermined on all sides, maintain a sense of community – “
also because freeparties are so free, people have very different veiws and attitudes to them. there is a battle raging on squatjuice between people on one side who see freeparties as representative of some utopian ideals, and beleive that they are anarchist events creating temporary autonomous zones where people are truly free for the only times in theri lives, and on the other you have people who just like dancing with their mates and not paying any money. both sides get quite heated trying to prove the other wrong, which is foolish as they are both true, and that swhy the parties are great imo. on this site yoi have less debate in that vein, more people who have been raving for a while trying to spread the info that they wished they had (or in some cases did have) when they started raving to prevent similar mistakes being continually made.
i do but the case is ongoing, so im not saying shit. i can try and get those involved to share some info with you, but dont hold your breath.
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