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  • didn’t mean to infer people on here were closed minded, ill educated yoofs, just the rest of the country. shame to miss a good weekend in bed, i spent it trying to pass this year, we shall se on thursday…
    peace

    Originally posted by MKP
    didn’t mean to infer people on here were closed minded, ill educated yoofs

    Didn’t for one second think you were mate.

    sound. I guess this should be on another thread, but any news on the scottish scene, have heard a few whispers but could do with a number….

    Sorry mate, I don’t know a lot about the scottish scene. A good place to ask might be http://www.squatjuice.com

    Its got some good people there if you disregard all the childish squabbles and various cretins.

    Be prepared to be accused of being a copper though for your first few posts. Its kind of a tradition.

    you’re a pig ain’tcha bio… gonna have you with eggs mon

    I feel it is generally a good idea and I believe you should go ahead with making this documentary. The people of the UK need to see what really happens and what really doesn’t happen. I believe it is the public interest because of the following reasons:

    At the weekend I went to a freeparty (of which I do every saturday nite and have done for throughout the last few years of my life). It was at a peaceful location in a forest owned by the forestry commision on Exmoor. The atmosphere was initially peaceful and a nice vibe was present even though the music was enjoyed by few as it was techno. I goto freepartys because I prefer a pleasent atmosphere to a violent, intimading atmosphere that I’d normally find in a pub.

    Anyway all was good until the police turned up. Initially four police arrived and told us they were in the process of making a decision on whether to shut the party down. Partygoers did not mind the small police presence and were being friendly to the police. Would you find this on a high street at 2am in the morning?… Even though the partygoers were being friendly the police decided to call more police, then more police then more police. There must have been at least 40 police there by 3am. This was a party consisting of around a hundred (peaceful) people. They then claimed they were going to get dogs (which they threatened to set on us).

    This was when the atmosphere changed. The police had changed the atmosphere to an anarchic anti-police state. They stopped the music and suddenly the police was the focus of the attention. Not only did they laugh in our face and told us that each constable was on £20 plus per hour over but they called the police helicopter to survey the area (is this really necessary when the police had checked it out on foot?).

    What annoyed me about the whole situation was fundamentally it was a peaceful gathering in a forest, with no houses affected by noise pollution. The police totally over reacted costing us the tax payer a lot of money which is totally unnecessary, they broke the peace- they were the problem. It appears that the police have a total lack of respect for the culture of todays society. I wonder if we was playing music that was acceptable to them would the situation be different?. I am apsolutely sick and tired of the police blowing their budget on something that they know will be a safe nights overtime. However I have found a better way then to verbally or physically assualt them. I take fotos of them with a digital camera and it really annoys them- they cant do anything about some young lad flashing a camera in their face and telling them that they are going be put into a nation wide database on the web of “cuntstables”. It really pisses them off, but I tried respecting them and it gets you nowhere. They commonly poke video cameras in our faces and write down our car registrations, then send us letters telling us that we were at an illegal rave. Emm Helpful.

    If you need any help whatsoever then please give me a shout. I want to show the UK the smiles the police have when they are rinsing out our police budget on a peaceful hippy gathering. Us ravers are no threat to the public, we are the public. Surely we should be allowed to party in public places? I thought the government wanted to end the binge/ happy hour drinking culture?

    Originally posted by breakzhead
    I feel it is generally a good idea and I believe you should go ahead with making this documentary. The people of the UK need to see what really happens and what really doesn’t happen. I believe it is the public interest because of the following reasons:

    I understand what you are saying, the problem with the documentary is it will end up “preaching to the converted” and other people (not from the scene) will see but they will not accept nor tolerate.

    Just think how many documentaries there have been on ethnic minorities and the positive aspects of their lifestyles; yet racism still persists.

    This isn’t the first time someone has made documentaries about free parties; even when balanced they don’t do us any good.

    It wouldn’t even do louise any good – the first thing she will probably find if she persists with this film is a letter to her boss from the Operation Hartley cops with a Court Order asking for all untransmitted footage “to assist with detection of criminal activity” – similar things have happened to many film makers over the years who have filmed both commercial and free rave events.

    Remember that there are sometimes drugs consumed at parties 😉 and drugs are still illegal!

    By all means make a video of a good party for your own private use or perhaps showing as projections or at an “alternative cinéma” – but engaging with “mainstream media” is dangerous. The rest of society just isn’t ready or happy to see “our culture” in their face on the TV screens.

    “Just think how many documentaries there have been on ethnic minorities and the positive aspects of their lifestyles; yet racism still persists.

    This isn’t the first time someone has made documentaries about free parties; even when balanced they don’t do us any good. “

    True said, Gen, but at the same time, one more shit tv program isn’t gonna make things any harder for us at the mo.There is still rascism, but cooperation from the media has shaming rascists into the background.ive been in pubs with black mates in bristol and not got served for ages, got a few comments, but forty years ago, there would have been a sign sayin “no blacks, irish or dogs” and neither of us would have got inside. Eighty years ago, just up the road from the pub there wpould have been four african slaves, in rags and chains on top of podiums for sale. Dont say nothing ever changes, coz it does and it will. with media cooperation, free parties will be legal in five years.

    The rave community has always shyed away from the mainsream media and look where its got us- totally alienated from the debate that we started. the media will report our shit wether we like it or not, so i recon its best to have as much say and influence over this as poss. there are too many lazy journo’s out there that just want to make another “community shaken by antisocial gatherings” peice, but to lump all journos in this is like throwing your bud out with the stalks. we can use these pricks, they arent that clever, we can take em.

    Free Parties are all about freedom – freedom of communication ,thought, and action. if we let the mainsteams’ antipathy infect us then we are fuct. we must stay stong and free and defiant.

    FIGHT THE POWER… FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE!

    By USE
    peace love unity respect

    this story will come out today in the amsterdam weekly, this is a free magazine for arts and entertainment in and arround amsterdam

    I think this is a well balanced story and grasps the excitment of doing free(illegal) party’s

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    Where’s the party at?

    There are various charms one could distinguish regarding an illegal outdoor house party. Finding out where the party is, for example. It usually starts with an announcement on a well hidden internet site. Further details about ‘where exactly’ and ‘how to get there’ you’ll receive only just before the party is ready for take off. Then, when you know where to go by mail or 06 number, you are overwhelmed by this mystic feeling of belonging to a group most of the people don’t know about. You share a little secret that will unfold itself during the night. So forget your lipstick and expensive night clothes. All you need is a backpack, filled with beer, good spirit and some xtc-pills if you like, cause we’re going on a trip.

    This story begins with the well hidden illegal party site of Zirk. ‘Drive towards the Academic Medic Centrum and then keep going straight’ were the instructions. I got of at Metro station Holendrecht and cycle through an office park. The place is as deserted as well, an office park after 5 o’ clock, but the day has been beautiful and the sun just started setting giving even the ugliest high buildings a golden glow. There’s a party to go underneath the A9 Highway. The place looks over the Ouderkerker lake and I can only imagine how surrealistic the sight must be: people dancing on psychedelic beats with a concrete tunnel behind their backs and the endlessly flat Dutch landscape stretching out front of them while the sky is changing from orange to pink. Annoying thing, or maybe just another charm, about illegal house parties is they are always hard to find. Time is wasted while cycling in the opposite direction of the party and back. It’s almost dark when I get there but the view still is surrealistic. About hundred fifty people are jumping up and down underneath a bridge in nowhere land while cars above their heads are heading for Amstelveen or further. There’s a concrete ramp you can clime, up to the ceiling of the bridge. People sit on it overviewing the party or just lay down, being up with the ferries with their eyes closed. From the top of the ramp red and yellow lights shine into the audience of psychedelic lovers dominated by dreadlocks, batiks, fluorescing rainbow kids and a guy with black wings on his back. At the opposite side of the ramp a dj sends his mystical trance beats out in the open. A big piece of plastic attached to the side of the bridge waives in the wind.
    “This is gooood,” sighs a guy next to me. What is? I ask. “Parties in the open. It gives you the feeling of freedom. And everybody is just nice to each other,” he says. He is Robert (25). Together with his friend Sasha (24) he is a regular visitor of Zirk’s parties although they both don’t look like it in their average jeans and T-shirts. “That’s the good thing says Robert. “It doesn’t matter. I have a job in sales and go to parties like Sensation too. Normally I would never run into a neo-hippie kind of crowd but here we talk and have a good time.” Sasha: “Looks are not important, no security guys that spoil your fun and cheep drinks.” They assure me it has nothing to do with the pill they dropped earlier on. “Hey, it helps but it’s just the whole atmosphere.”

    The scenery
    Ever since the dawn of human nation, people have been partying out in the open. It’s probably only the last fifteen years of mankind they do so with a sound system. In Amsterdam there about five party organisations with names from outer space like: Psyon, Alienmeeting, Psychedelic Sceneries, Empathy and 9 Lives of Hofmann that are active in the open. Most of them play psychedelic trance or psy-trance on their parties. “A couple of years ago there were also a lot of outdoor techno parties but since techno became less popular, that scene died a little,” says Dirk (39), the man behind Zirk. At the moment Dirk is the most active organiser in the illegal party scene. On the very regular basis of once every three weeks (or two in the summer) you can visit one of his feasts in and around Amsterdam. Locations vary from old cargo boats to tunnels to bridges and surrealistic industrial zone’s like the Westelijk Havengebied.

    There he stands, Dirk, enjoying the people having a good time on his party. With his
    xxx ft tall, red Hally Hansen jacket and thick glasses he for sure stands out in the crowd of dancing hippies. “I like to cheer up the everyday grey places in and around Amsterdam,” he says about his motivation to turn bridges and tunnels into a better place for one night. “It’s such a kick to throw illegal parties. Finding the right location, getting people over and just have a good time in the middle of nowhere. The entrance is free and the little money I make I put in the next one right away.”
    All of a sudden the police is knocking at the door. I follow Dirk as he walks towards the officers, just a little away from the party. “The neighbours have been complaining about the music,” says one officer. “Not possible,” answers Dirk friendly. I went to all the farms in the region, telling them to call my number in case they were disturbed. The officer for a moment doesn’t know what to say and starts calling his superiors. Why not party with us,” asks a guy to the female officer. “Not my kind of music,” she mutters. “I prefer more mainstream artists.”
    When the officer hangs up, more discussion follows. Dirk obviously has done this before. But so did the officer. It’s ‘we have the right to party in the open’ versus ‘I understand but if other people are bothered by it, we have to stop it.’ Eventually even the mayor of Ouderkerk is called out of bed. He decides party time is over. The music goes down and Dirk explains the situation. The police are cursed all along the party scene but no-one makes a big fuss. It’s around 22:45 and people hurry to try and catch the last metro back to the city or stay help cleaning up the spot. I choose the first.

    Dirk’s Domain
    “Bad luck,” says Dirk about the party couple of days later. “But the police are also part of the fun. As long as they don’t come too early, that is. Best thing is when you can convince them the party should go on.” We’re sitting in Dirk’s house at Borneo Island in the east of Amsterdam. The whole house buries signs of his activities in the weekend. Piles of left over beer are stapled in the kitchen. In various cupboards you find alien heads made of rubber mattresses. On the balcony lies a plastic tube construction, forming the molecule of the MDMA crystal when put together properly.
    Dirk is a fulltime website developer by profession but Zirk needs a lot of attention too. Luckily for Dirk, he’s the kind of guy that can spin more Chinese saucers on various sticks that the average man. Besides that he has a steady crew of four people to run the Zirk show with him. “Arranging dj’s and finding equipment isn’t the hardest thing. People will come to you automatically. Most important is a good sound system, a good spot and no police to ruin the party. A place has to be outside of town where no-one can hear you and you have to be careful with water because it can transport sound for miles away,” says Bart, the Belgian sound technician. “Another rule is you never throw a party on the same place twice. People want to be surprised. That’s a big part of the fun.”
    On Zirk’s website you can win a price of 25 Euro’s if you can find a good spot. There is more information. A behaviour code for example, starting with ‘leave your attitude at the door’ and ending with: ‘keep the place as clean as possible’. “We always leave the place cleaner than we found it,” says Hylke, the person involved with the bar and cleaning up after the party. Even cigarette buns are picked up from the ground. Hylke: “A lot of people only use the tobacco to roll a joint. All the filters we collect to use it for mattress filling.”
    There are also instructions on how to deal with the police. Dirk: “I always try to let them feel they are in charge. Telling them up forehand I will stop when they say so. It will give us the highest chance of being able to continue and they won’t fine me if we can’t. I don’t have a political message. The only message I got is a good night doesn’t need to be expensive.”
    It’s hard to imagine Dirk only started operating in the partyscene two years ago. “I used to live in Nieuwegein with a wife and two kids. After my divorce, I attended my first house party, Sensation, at the age of 38. I was impressed by the house party organisation. The logistics, logo’s and the reaction of the crowd. It all seemed very mystical to me. That’s what I want to do, I decided. Thing is, if you’ve never worked within the organised party scene, you don’t get hired so I began organising them myself.”
    Zirk’s next party will be the party after the Legalise street rave, an annual Dutch demonstration for the legalisation of drugs. Soundsystems from all over Holland come together and will make a tour trough the city, ending at a big field at the Papaverweg where the party will go on until 11 at night. “The cops will be very sharp because they know all the soundsystems will go and search a good spot around Amsterdam to continue their party. So we have to be very careful we’re not followed.” The deal with Dirk is I go with him while searching for a new spot after the legalise party. Excellent!

    The past of illegal parties
    Dirk’s favourite party is the one he gave in a side tunnel of the Piet Hein tunnel underneath the A 10. “Workers came there in the morning and couldn’t believe what they saw,” laughs Dirk. However he wasn’t the first to do so. “We squatted that tunnel for the first time in ’91,” says Ilja xxx, one of the founders of party-organisation Multigroove. The now legal party organisation was one of the pioneers in the first illegal house parties ever. “Illegal parties were hot back then,” Ilja recalls. “House just started to be known and didn’t have a steady place in society jet. Television stations like VPRO and Vara were making documentaries of the scene. In the beginning there weren’t any differences in house styles but our music was known to be pretty rough. Gabbers,we were called, coming from the people in the scene calling each other Gappies, which means buddies in Dutch. The Gabbers became known for their bald heads and trainer suits later but back then they still had long hair and just dressed weird.”
    According to Ilja the police didn’t do much about illegal parties back then. “They just didn’t know what this whole bleep bleep music was about,” he grins. “At a certain point we squatted a building in Sloterdijk and threw a party every Saturday. For 13 months the police let it happen until one night in May ’93 they did an inval with the military police. We all got thrown in jail. I did three weeks.” The police used Multigroove as a clear signal: no more illegal house parties. What made them so severe? “I think they formed a policy how to deal with the parties and were also shocked by the amount of drugs used in the scene,” says Ilja. “The use of drugs wasn’t that common yet in everyday nightlife, so I guess they had the feeling to do something about it.”
    Afterwards house became more mainstream and accepted in the regular nightlife. With the coming up of well-organised parties the need for illegal ones became less. Well, at least in the gabber, hardcore and techno scene. Ilja: “My customers aren’t interested in illegal houseparties anymore. They want to be well taken care of. Clean toilets, cold beer. If I don’t take care of a good wardrobe they slaughter my party on the internet.”
    For Psy-trance, it’s a bit different. “Reason why the Psy-trance scene still likes to throw they parties outdoor might have to do with the music,” says Dr. Vinni of 9 Lives of Hofmann, one of the pioneers in organising psy-trance parties. “Psychedelic trance calls up the ancient ritual of people dancing together into other realities. Best environment to reach a certain atmosphere is outdoors. The music also attracts the kind of crowd that enjoys the primitive way and doesn’t want to spend lots of money. Instead of the Multigroove parties, the psy-parties in general are not commercial at all.”
    In the 6 years he’s been organising parties, he has seen a lot of them. “One of the best parties is the annual F of Kali party, organised by Doof records. The music, the soundsystem, black drops – black cloths painted with fluorescent paint – It’s all good. Only thing lacking maybe is a proper chill-out room and a Chai-shop with nice bites and tea.” According to Vinni a lot of outdoor psy-parties nowadays lack the psy-trance essentials. “I might sound like an old man but psy-trance parties used to be a very visual and spiritual happening in the past. I have the feeling people are less interested in decoration and good music. Most of them just want the freedom to use drugs. Now I like my drugs too but people also use more speed instead of psychedelics. That’s not necessarily bad, but it changes the vibe of a party.”

    Where’s the party at, part II
    If it comes to the use of drugs, it got more common for sure. About 2000 people from all over Holland came to Amsterdam to participate in the Legalise street Rave. That a lot of drugs, including alcohol, are abused is also a fact that becomes painfully clear when the Legalise party at the Papaverweg stops around 18:00 because people got into fights, ruining the party for the others. Dirk calls me up. Did I hear the bad news? I’m telling him I’m looking at some military policeman with sticks and helmets on, entering the partyzone as we speak. He already moved over to plan B and started building up the after party a little sooner.
    I bike home, get myself some new instructions through the internet and find it right away this time. The party takes place underneath a railroad near the Sloterplas. There are two bridges next to each other. One for Dirk’s soundsystem and one for the Back-a-wall soundsystem from Medenblik that spins reggae tunes. Two girls in Indian dresses sell candles from their van and there is a fruit cocktail bar this time too. “No, No, it’s really easy to find,” a guy next to me says trough the telephone. A train passes over our heads as the night falls and the crowd starts to party again. “I’d rather am between people that use drugs instead of alcohol,” says Heidi who came with the Back-a-wall soundsystem when I ask her about what she thinks about people taking drugs. “Alcohol makes people more aggressive. Drugs can do that to but the people here know how to use it well,” is her opinion. “Hey, weren’t you also at the last party,” a guy with slightly curled hair asks. It’s Robert again. “The only bad thing about drugs is it costs so much time,” he ads to the discussion. “I’m probably going to skip a night but I have to work on Monday again. I guess I should stop using it at a certain point though. I don’t want to end up like some of those wasted people you see walking around here too.”
    Around one thirty the police arrives again. The same procedure as last one unfolds itself. Dirk has a plan C though. He arranged a nice spot for the third party that night in the Westelijk havengebied. Whoever has got a car is more than welcome to party on. Me and the photographer decide to go home to get some sleep and catch up with the crowd at the after after party five hours later.

    It’s hard to get out of bed but it’s worth it. When we arrive at eight in the morning, about seventy people are still jumping up and down in front of Zirk’s sound system. The place in the middle of an industrial zone looks out over the water with huge windmills in the distance. People are sitting at a little campfire, letting their socks dry on some wooden sticks while others clime on an old boat that lies in the water. Dirk is getting a massage in a tent from his Columbian girlfriend. “Ah, this is all I need,” he says. “I guess I’m in my second youth. Or maybe it’s my first.” Robert comes by to thank him for the great party before he bounces off again. Little white envelopes with substances that keep you awake go from hand to hand while the sun is shining and the weather is sweet. This time the police stay away and people continue partying as if there is no tomorrow.

    Sound of the police
    “When you are selling drinks and you ask for entrance at the door, there is a commercial purpose served. If you don’t have a licence to do so, you could say there is an illegal party going on. Even if you don’t make a profit,” says Remco Gerritsen spokesman of the Amsterdam police force. That doesn’t mean a party always have to end. “It depends on the circumstances,” Gerritsen says. “When it’s raining complaints of people in the neighbourhood or when there is a danger in the form of a campfire or people taking to much alcohol and drugs we close the party as well.” According to the illegal party-organisations the police close more parties compared to few years ago. “Quite possible,” is Gerritsen’s comment. “We are more severe in general when it comes to telling civilians what their responsibilities are. Policies became more strict but I’m sure there are parties taking place the police will never know about.”

    Long……. but interesting.

    It shows the difference between the OB in Holland, and our own here. But then it has always been a more relaxed place…..

    I don’t agree with media attention. We all know we are doing something illegal, better to be smarter, less noticable, than to start waving our hands in the air saying; ‘look at us, we’re not that bad.’

    By now the majority of people either accept parties, or not. No-one will be able to change their mind. At the end of the day, how are you gonna stop any documentary from showing people completely off their face? No matter how good their intentions are?

    On a completely unrelated point; USE, what happened to Native Beats at the Brighton party on sat? I was looking forward to checking out the visual set-up.

    Peace,

    Binge.

    I dunno- these media types, turn up onna website, get our hopes up, start a big old debate- then vanish! i even emailed her and she didn’t have the courtesy to reply. what a jip. still, shows she wasn’t comitted or at least is easily scared. I do hope freeparties get through better than they did the first time round, but we haven’t had the Sun or the Mail whipping up public anger and directing it at us, which is a welcome change. there’s even been some decent reporting from the likes of guardian and independant, so things are looking up.

    If she was gonna do another hatchet job like towerblock dreams, where they blatantly edited footage to present a onesided negative stereotype of urban culture, using my favorite MC, Skinnyman as cannon fodder. he’s still pissed off about it. as anyone would. that wasnt a real sentance, or maybe it was two. its too late. my brain dunt werk nuw mow

    Originally posted by USE
    I dunno- these media types, turn up onna website, get our hopes up, start a big old debate- then vanish! i even emailed her and she didn’t have the courtesy to reply. what a jip. still, shows she wasn’t comitted or at least is easily scared.

    She also posted the request on SJ; I dread to think what sort of other things people may have sent to her (possibly even threats to her and her crew had she attended a party, there are several people on that board who even threatened “normal” photographers/video makers!).

    I felt she was geniune and good-intentioned, but a young freelancer just does not not have the industry clout to put our view across to the media.

    Above her will be other, more senior producers and editors, who could either re-edit her stuff to give a different angle or would happily respond to the Police if the project broadcast anything that could be of use to them. (remember 80% of TV documentaaries are about crime, and journos can’t use scanners any more to find out about juicy incidents now the cops have airwave!)

    Media jobs are hard to get and harder to keep. She probably studied hard and competed against hundreds to get that job. If she was given the choice of “protecting her sources” against “protecting her career”, how do you know which one she would choose?

    I’m not totally against working with the conventional media industry, but it is dangerous if not handled properly. The Exodus collective had one of the best “spin doctors” in the form of Glenn Jenkins, but a misjudgement in taking part in a “reality” TV show put thousands of funds of funding at risk, led to much negative publicity and maybe even helped along the collectives eventual demise.

    I feel the only way we could have a chance would be to create our own content from street level – perhaps even more with stuff like music videos, arty things that can be given more of a positive spin than the and deliver the whole package in a similar form to Channel E or Rapture. FFS if the grime scene can get it together and get airtime why the fuck can’t we?

    The weird thing is that her email account has been closed. i sent an email to the bbc asking what the deal was, but my email is being rubbish, so i dont know if they replyed (bit early anyway).

    It would be a blatantly good idea to devise our own documentary – i know several post-grad media students, who are well sound and would probably be well up for helping do interveiws, editing etc. what we need is to collate a wide selection of freeparty videos from different crews, then intertwine interveiws with organisers, contributers, ravers, police and locals. Im sure that theres enough footage knockin about, its just a question of getting it together.

    not only is it well hard to get people to copy footage and give it to you coz of lazines,, people generally want control of their own footage (f d’s). i think i’ll start a new post…

    Louise was a freelancer; in common with most contractors in public sector organisations she would have been provided with a “branded” e-mail address which would have been closed down when her contract ended.

    IIRC The project wasn’t a rave documentary per se but something about how people celebrated and raves would only have been a 5 min segment of the project (23/28 mins as trailers often bite into a half-hour slot)

    I say keep mum

    Even if a prog went out as unbiased as u like, the headlines the next day would be screaming about rugs/breaking + entering/youths disturbing tax payers etc.

    There’s no point. Best policy is to keep quiet, keep to ourselves, we will never be understood…fact.

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