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  • (thread in “free parties” forum merged – duplicate post from OP in second thread removed)

    This is a very sensitive subject at the moment (most Southern police forces have a zero tolerance policy) and there has been an increasing clampdown on these events.

    It was only recently that we were discussing the pros and cons of a free party documentary on here, and most people were of the opinion that badly made project could do a lot more damage to the future of these events.

    in the light of this situation perhaps you’d like to answer a few questions?

    • what are the full contact details of your production company, and which broadcast trade unions are you affiliated to?
    • if it is intended for TV which broadcasters will be funding you? (many have their own angles and agendas, and Ofcom’s own rulings would automatically put a negative spin on many projects due to the rules on drugs)
    • how would you deal with a request from the Police for untransmitted footage from your project?
    • what steps will you take to protect your sources, before, during and after the completion of the project? They would basically be admitting to attending a number of unlicensed gatherings where potentially illegal activities happen before a wide audience – and TBH few free party crews I know would welcome a camera crew unless they had certain assurances on how the footage would be used.

    I guess you are a raver of some sort otherwise you would not have come on here, but perhaps you could give people some assurances why they should put themselves and their friends at potential personal risk to assist you with your project (which sounds like a mainstream media project for commercial gain)

    I know these questions are hard-hitting; but I have seen way too many bad club programmes (some of which even have led to clampdowns on the events they have featured), and people also having their lives screwed over by media exposure.

    The media is powerful, as you no doubt know. This power needs to be used carefully or it can be destructive…

    What sort of subject areas do you wish to cover, also what is the intended purpose of your documentory? There have been a lot of people wanting to do documentories on the free party scene for the purpose of promoting/justifying what we get up to or don’t get up to. AFAIK the majority of these never happened because ppl involved with systems/crews etc aren’t too keen on media involvement and the attention that follows.

    I think you’ll have to more specific with your plan of action if you want anyone to help out,…

    steveo wrote:
    specifically the ‘Underground vs Commercial’ aspect

    that sounds like pitting two groups against one another

    the two things are just different, not Versus one another

    what’s the matter? not enough conflict on TV for ya? :zip:

    *edit (duplicated)

    I’ve merged both threads as there were two original posts across both the “chat” and “free” party forums….

    its been made clear to me that this topic is to be met with much scepticism. as far as my legal knowlege goes, it is not illeagal to attend free parties, however, we would be taking every care not to incriminate anybody, as this is not really in our interests as film-makers. the point of our film is to examine the gap between the free-party attitude compared to the mega-clubs and superstar DJs that are becoming massively popular. we hope to open up debates as to whether commercial dance is a natural evolution from the underground raves of the 1980s, whether a wider audience should be available to experience dance-culture, and whether Free-raves are keeping the true spirit of parties alive?
    If anyone out there is willing to talk with us about taking part in this, please email me at djclarkys@hotmail.com.
    love
    steveo

    steveo wrote:
    the point of our film is to examine the gap between the free-party attitude compared to the mega-clubs and superstar DJs that are becoming massively popular.

    becoming popular where?

    it seems ironic that you’d post this in the same week other people are discussing how clubbing has died / is dying out

    we hope to open up debates as to whether commercial dance is a natural evolution from the underground raves of the 1980s, whether a wider audience should be available to experience dance-culture

    what debates?

    the history is already pretty well documented

    i think globaloon is being somewhat naive, dance culture is not dying out, it seems people have been saying that for years. the biggest club closest to me is Slinky in bournmouth, and i have found that it is hugely popular, the same motivations and feelings when you listen to a banging tack on the dance floor are there, its just that the people appreciating it are more an eclectic group of people.
    i read on a forum on chavscum.com that people think chavs are ruining the rave scene. how? are chavs not entitled to drop a bean and have an amazing night?
    the nature of the dance scene will never die out because it has always been on the cutting edge, and as with the nature of humanity, it just evolves and grows. what would the ravers of 1980s detroit make of Gods Kitchen? what would Kraftwerk think Funky house is all about?
    this is very much the idea of the film, but we need to look at the free-party scene and analyze its importance in an age where rave has gone global and globalized.

    i’m sorry you think that

    but if you read what i posted, and what you posted…

    you were saying superclubs are becoming massively popular when in fact most have closed down.

    and i didn’t say ‘dance culture’ was dying out… where did you get that from?… obviously it has been with us since pre human history and will carry on in various forms

    can you tell me why you see the commercial club scene as being “versus” free parties?

    its not like were going to have a fight in the film. merely contrasting two forms of dance expression.

    as for the superclub angle, true some have closed, yet, there are about 5-6 massive dance festivals this year alone and not to mention the super-parties. eg. April 9th – manchester arena – http://www.godskitchen.com/homeukmanchester.php

    basically, its undeniable how hugely commercial it has all gone. and if clubs are closing down, why is that? they are probably not making big business. when they are charging £4 for a bottle of beer, it’s because they have to gain the revenue. the fact is that the biggest clubs are doing better than before because they have the reputation/capacity/money to get the big names in. i went to the Opera House on saturday night, pete tong was opening the 1st Refresh – saturday night’s Funky House answer to Slinky. it was shit. Pete Tong was rubbish. the dancefloor was full of bobbing heads. not classifiable as a reve by any account. big business though. everybody wanted to see Pete (not me you understand, there fore a mate’s birthday) and that was it. i think that rave culture has moved out of the clubs back to the underground, and dance culture has moved into the tabloids. ‘Club culture’ doesnt really exist.

    anyway, if you would like to contribute to the film, please do, otherwise, i dont really have the time just now to debate the details of the messages. we are looking for people who atted free-parties and underground raves who would like to contribute to a documentary that will be exploring and contrasting the underground and commercial side of Dance Culture.
    we have no interest in incriminating anybody and as far as we know, there is nothing illeagal in attending events. we are film-makers based in Hampshire and are willing to travelfurther a field.please e-mail me on: djclarkys@hotmail.com
    love steveo

    steveo wrote:
    its not like were going to have a fight in the film. merely contrasting two forms of dance expression.

    I’m concerned about your choice of language, considering you say you work in the media. i’m sure you understand the importance of words

    ‘versus’ is immediately inflamatory. you must realise that if you are in the business of documentary making.

    basically, its undeniable how hugely commercial it has all gone. and if clubs are closing down, why is that?

    read the other threads on here. decent club nights and festivals are closing because of the staggering costs to the organisers… leaving only the like of mean fiddler to rip off the kids

    they are probably not making big business. when they are charging £4 for a bottle of beer, it’s because they have to gain the revenue. the fact is that the biggest clubs are doing better than before because they have the reputation/capacity/money to get the big names in. i went to the Opera House on saturday night, pete tong was opening the 1st Refresh – saturday night’s Funky House answer to Slinky. it was shit. Pete Tong was rubbish. the dancefloor was full of bobbing heads. not classifiable as a reve by any account. big business though. everybody wanted to see Pete (not me you understand, there fore a mate’s birthday) and that was it.

    sorry, you’ve lost me. you say that clubs are doing beter cos they can draw in big names. then you say big name DJ is shit.

    what do you mean?

    i think that rave culture has moved out of the clubs back to the underground,

    why can’t clubs be underground?

    and dance culture has moved into the tabloids.

    i felt the tabloids had left us alone since the early 90’s… apart from that jessica allen woman last year turning up and shooting at people attending a party (and one of their mum’s who had come to collect her daughter) :angry:

    we have no interest in incriminating anybody and as far as we know, there is nothing illeagal in attending events

    but organising them is

    i dont really have the time just now to debate the details of the messages.

    this is a discussion forum.newsflash

    One of the other moderaters, General Lighting asked a few very specific questions about your media background.

    some people here may want to help you out if they felt reassured about who you are and what you’re about

    at the mo you’re coming accross to me like a hack with little understanding of what you are talking about (or a troll)

    IMO

    Steveo – perhaps as I have previously suggested in a PM perhaps you would like to share some examples of previous projects with us (from whatever media) – or if this is your first big video/film project, why not just say so?

    If it seems we are all being hard on you its nothing personal. We regularly get requests from various media types for people to take part in this sort of project – the BBC asked us last year and they get the same grilling.

    you are correct that its not illegal to attend parties; OTOH its not illegal to be Asian or black either and to follow certain religions, yet it doesn’t stop old bill mounting surveillance operations on these communities. The same applies to raves. Both licensed and free events are monitored by the cops; often also because of suspected drugs and motoring offences.

    I’ll also point out that Hampshire cops are particularly tenacious in pursuing suspected illegal party organisers through the Courts and landing them with heavy fines. A video such as the one you are making could be used as extra evidence or intelligence material. Just because you don’t want to incriminate people won’t stop hantspol getting hold of a copy and watching every frame to glean extra info (they have done that in the past).

    I get the impression you do actually have an interest in the urban music scene (as opposed to someone who is a crime reporter or wants to follow the old bill around as they raid people like the ITV lot do!) and perhaps are pursuing a career in music journalism.

    OTOH achieving your ambition should not be done at the expense of others – and making content about free parties is way different to covering the commercial club scene.

    Furthermore both licensed and unlicensed raves have had problems with camera crews turning up to obtain footage covertly for crime programmes and other negative projects.

    if you are ever wishing to be seen as a decent journalist and not a hack willing to get a story by any means I hope you will take on board peoples concerns…..

    Who are Gass productions? Anything to do with the Gas clothing company?

    Do you have a website?

    edited to add that as far as I am concerend superclubs killed the true/proper dance scene with their over corporatised bollocks. Greed in music has never lead to any positive evolution of a ‘scene’

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