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  • Tombo wrote:
    I was at a party on a cliff edge not very high 15 foot or so. We told people about the cliff and put up tape and stuff. However, people looking for a quiet spot to pee just ignored the shouts of ” oi mate there’s a cliff there” and promptly fell down it. It happened a few times despite the sound system being stopped and while warnings were given over the PA. Some guy broke his leg in the end. Still the helicopter that came to pick him up was dead entertaining, plus with its search lights everyone got to see the cliff!
    If it was me I wouldn’t take the risk of partying somewhere with an obvious accident zone unless it was really well lit.

    Glad nobody was badly hurt….. mind you i’m sure the guy with the broken leg thought it was bad enough.

    Hindsight is a wonderfull thing! The point I was trying to make is the locals knew there was a cliff there and didn’t fall off it. The sensible people saw the warning tape listened to the warnings over the PA and didn’t fall off it. The people who fell ignored the warning and had no local knowledge fell off. The might have been too wasted to realise what they were doing of course.
    It seems you have to plan a party for the lowest whitted person attending. It was a fantastic venue for a party about 3 miles from the nearest house and common land too. Speakers facing the sea means less distubance to locals. Dancing by the sea at dawn is an amazing experiance. But next time i think and electric fence on the cliff edge would do the trick.

    BioTech wrote:
    If it was me I wouldn’t take the risk of partying somewhere with an obvious accident zone unless it was really well lit.

    Glad nobody was badly hurt….. mind you i’m sure the guy with the broken leg thought it was bad enough.

    Tombo wrote:
    Hindsight is a wonderfull thing! The point I was trying to make is the locals knew there was a cliff there and didn’t fall off it. The sensible people saw the warning tape listened to the warnings over the PA and didn’t fall off it. The people who fell ignored the warning and had no local knowledge fell off. The might have been too wasted to realise what they were doing of course.
    It seems you have to plan a party for the lowest whitted person attending. It was a fantastic venue for a party about 3 miles from the nearest house and common land too. Speakers facing the sea means less distubance to locals. Dancing by the sea at dawn is an amazing experiance. But next time i think and electric fence on the cliff edge would do the trick.

    Yeah sorry, didn’t mean to come across all sensible. Parties by the sea truely are a great thing. Except when you get a load of sand in your amps and record bags 🙂

    the party community has been amazingly lucky TBH that there have not been more serious injuries… in my area I only know of one death in 14 years which was when an unsafe factory in the High Wycombe area was used and a young lady suffered fatal injuries following a fall.

    Unfortunately in London the injury toll is fairly high, particularly when the effects of violence are taken into account.

    the worst part of these incidents at the outdoor parties, (apart from the obvious trauma to the injured person) is that the airlift is either carried out by the Police helicopter or an Air Ambulance usually funded by a local charity.

    The NHS cannot afford to fund aircraft as well as hospitals; and even the road Ambulance service was an afterthought introduced in the late 50s/early 60s)

    when the cops do the airlift, the locals pick up the cost in their Council tax, and everyone pays for the NHS through their tax. Air Ambulances are usually paid for by the goodwill of the locals, the costs are obtained from local people and businesses via charity appeals.

    Other licensed events have the PEL fees to recover some of these costs and/or provide their own acute (emergency) healthcare facilities; even so these often require assistance from the NHS Ambulance Trust resources.

    These costs and resource requirements are not insignificant. I know frontline workers in my local hospital who have said the 3 festivals commonly held in our area (Reading, Womad and Glade) often result in a fair few people presenting for emergency treatment of various kinds, everything from exhaustion and overdoses to injuries sustained by violence)

    At a festival in Oxfordshire this year, there were four ambulances deployed from two counties services, all emergency callout. This was despite the presence of private Ambulance facilities, as the patients required transport to hospital for acute treatment.

    As for the clean up costs quoted for this Devon event, £3500 is not that excessive a cost when the clean up effectively involves searching for contaminated waste material in a remote area. human waste carries the most pathogens (disease germs) of any animal species found in the UK, and is a potential risk to the entire ecosystem.

    Its not that much of a “free party” when essentially the event costs are being passed back to the wider community, and worse still when the people appear not even to come from that area….one of the reasons why the backlash (in the form of confiscations, riot cops shutting down events) is getting progressively worse.

    Its not that much of a “free party” when essentially the event costs are being passed back to the wider community, and worse still when the people appear not even to come from that area….one of the reasons why the backlash (in the form of confiscations, riot cops shutting down events) is getting progressively worse.

    I must point out that the name “free party” was coined to mean not a “pay party” and certainly doesn’t mean no costs are incurred.

    “Are you local?”
    I know we are not a free country in every sense but it’s a poor show from party people when we can’t go to other areas because we are “not LOCAL”.
    As to costs being passed back to the wider community that’s the way a country works and when people from Devon go else where the wider community picks up the cost.

    Wot is “LOCAL” your village, your county, your region, it’s all too provincial for me. I didn’t go to this party but I would not ask locals as a rule nor would I expect anyone to ask me “when” they party in my local area. I can understand the aristocracy not wanting me on “their land” or to move from my village without permission but to get this from the peasantry is outrageous unless of course they have readily accepted their feudal positions.
    I read this local rig was invited to London but who had the right to invite them without asking the rest of London and who down in the Devon sticks had the right to give permission to party in that area, its all to silly for words really and they need to get out more and stop breeding with cousins 😉

    elraveon wrote:
    I read this local rig was invited to London but who had the right to invite them without asking the rest of London and who down in the Devon sticks had the right to give permission to party in that area, its all to silly for words really and they need to get out more and stop breeding with cousins 😉

    in the southwest we have a stong tradition (and a good one IMO) of communicating with each other so that sites don’t get overused, parties don’t overlap by being too close together etc etc

    in this way we’ve had a reasonable amount of success in keeping our rigs out of the hands of the law and keeping locals on side to a degree

    there’s no question of ‘permission’, more like, understandingswink.gif

    all i was saying is bring a trowel :shy: , so there’s no need to get over heated :apathy:

    in the southwest we have a stong tradition (and a good one IMO) of communicating with each other so that sites don’t get overused, parties don’t overlap by being too close together etc etc

    in this way we’ve had a reasonable amount of success in keeping our rigs out of the hands of the law and keeping locals on side to a degree

    there’s no question of ‘permission’, more like, understandings

    all i was saying is bring a trowel , so there’s no need to get over heated

    I am a bit heated about this “its my area” or “regon” ie “we in the southwest” I got heated about the duke of bedford getting exodus to tell other rigs not to party in his area and if he had been successfull he would of tried it in your area because he owns a lot of devon too.

    I find this hard to believe this quote

    in the southwest we have a stong tradition (and a good one IMO) of communicating with each other

    my first post wasnt at you particular or even this thread alone but if your statement is true, these quotes from you seem to dissagree

    there are tons of good sites for parties in Devon… but it’s becoming harder and harder

    many sites have been abused

    and

    there were a bunch of parties along the north coast of the peninsula this weekend

    (fug nose why we couldn’t get them all together… let’s talk in future)

    how they behaved at the party is not my point, how long they stayed or where they shit is not my point, I wasnt there so cant comment. I can comment on the press who often say rubbish, and even needles are left in large numbers and I know in all the articals I have checked out they have lied or mislead by using hearsay.

    I find it hard to believe that if a rig “in the southwest” wants to do a party all other rigs are “comunicated with” and an understanding is reached with several hundred people in the know to where and when a party will happen, anyway your above statements show different.

    instead of moaning about non locals coming down there univited if

    there are tons of good sites for parties in Devon..

    why arent you inviting rigs down there. oh yeah you will have to seek out all the southwest rigs and get an “understanding”.
    southwest rigs get invited up to the southeast and how do you expect whoever invites you to get an “understanding” from the hundreds of rigs around.

    with the best will in the world we cannot communicate between rigs as you say, I wish we could but the scene is underground and if we were that organized it would be our downfall IMO.

    upseting some locals is par for the course, its not hard, leaving your reservation is enough to upset some country people and joining with them in your protests, hmmmmm well I’ll say no more at the moment.

    I think there is a better way but I’ll not say in the open.

    elraveon wrote:
    I find it hard to believe that if a rig “in the southwest” wants to do a party all other rigs are “comunicated with”

    there are 8 crews i know of in devon and cornwall who party every weekend… they are all in touch with each other

    elraveon wrote:
    instead of moaning about non locals coming down there univited

    who’s doing that?

    elraveon wrote:
    why arent you inviting rigs down there.

    we do :surprised

    if you want to come and party down here anytime, why not drop me a line and praps we can link up and all have loads of fun together?

    globalloon the southwest is a bit bigger than two counties and I find it hard to believe that if one of your 8 rigs want to do a party they all contact each other when they want to party but if you say so. how do you manage with differences of opinon are you a democracy, if you have a difference of opinion, do you go on a majority or does it have to be unanomous. and how come there were many partys down the north coast and you didnt communicate or that many sites have been abused or is this being done by outsiders possible somerset, dorset, avon hampshire and wiltshire all in the southwest region. or is it just us southeasterners that consider the whole country ours. 🙂

    if we ar not talking about local rigs and outsiders from other regions I am now confuzed.

    elraveon wrote:
    how come there were many partys down the north coast

    there was this one (in the news), another free party (held on private land, overlooking the sea, with a couple of local rigs and one that came from Netherlands) and one private/ pay festival

    :bounce_ci

    there were prolly some little 1 or 2K afairs dotted about

    some around here sites have been seriously overused… but in the last couple of years there has been good communication so the same spots aren’t being rinsed every couple of weeks and the situation is improving

    is it a democracy? not really… more like “oh you’re doing it in that area, we should check it out, maybe join you” or “that’s miles away from us, we’re going to do our own thing”

    the idea is that we can all have loads of fun together, hear different styles of moosic, learn from each other which doesn’t happen if it’s all split up

    you can’t force people to agree of course, but it seems to make sense to have some togetherness if not unity

    I do feel you can be a raver and a local – I have attended at least two moots and various other raves close enough to me to have ridden there on my bicycle! IMO having local knowledge and consideration for your environment and the wider community is not the same as petty territorialism, and I have some sympathy for the smaller organic and rare-breed farmers who are sometimes inadvertantly inconvenienced by the presence of raves.

    I do not particularly like the remnants of the feudal system in rural Britani either; but many people are happy with their lot and accept it as the “least worst” system of government as there has been no other viable alternative society in Britain. Experiments with collective lifestyles in this country have failed in most areas (with a few exceptions) because many people are to suspicious to abandon the dogma of class boundaries.

    Incidentally teritoriallism is worst in London; there are gangs there at most parties who target anyone from out of the area and subject them to robbery or just gratuitous violence; and this is just seen as “normal” for the London area (which actually it is – I’ve only just read a news article about a teenager being executed in a crowded Underground station simply because he dared to play a game of football with his friends in a park which was another crews “ends” (a term which itself comes from football hooligan firms)

    Globalloon refers to Devon and Cornwall – and I’ll give the local crews their due, whatever they have done there appears to have worked despite the multi-force operations Hartley and Pell and the cops new kit – the “bumpkin” forces get issued the more expensive airwave radios with the built in GPS sets – all they have to do is transmit from a rave site now and it comes up on a big electronic map screen, unlike a few years ago where the cops often didn’t know where they were!

    The ravers in other force areas do not appear to have been so lucky, there has been very little going on there this year.

    globalloon wrote:
    some around here sites have been seriously overused… but in the last couple of years there has been good communication so the same spots aren’t being rinsed every couple of weeks and the situation is improving

    is it a democracy? not really… more like “oh you’re doing it in that area, we should check it out, maybe join you” or “that’s miles away from us, we’re going to do our own thing”

    the idea is that we can all have loads of fun together, hear different styles of moosic, learn from each other which doesn’t happen if it’s all split up

    you can’t force people to agree of course, but it seems to make sense to have some togetherness if not unity

    although its hindsight I can’t help but think if people did more of this in the Thames Valley it may have helped but its perhaps an SE mentality, people are quite individualistic, crews (and even friendships and relationships) have actually split up because people wanted to do their own thing on the party scene – and when people do come together its often just because one crew has found a site and others want a piece of the action.

    and lets face up to it – if it wasn’t for locals and cops moaning would many of todays ravers bother with picking up trash? I can’t help but think sometimes the nature of many ravers have changed; we have lost many of the old-skool “eco-warrior” types (particularly the girls) and got a lot more “max power” types who see raves as an extension of the illegal cruise (car racing) scene.

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