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March 1, 2008 at 1:09 am

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JonnyQuest

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JulesDogg wrote:

Having a teenage giggle when you make your first score might be fun.

Some of the above is clearly not.

Getting high on your favourite drug(s) without fear of prosecution, harassment and the knowledge that your drugs are clean. Now that’s more like it.

i agree just like getting to work on time and saying hello to the boss, shiney shoes, early nights, always knowing the time and getting told what to do raaa i like drugs the way they are,

alcohol is a drug and its legal, causes a shit load of problems
March 1, 2008 at 3:15 am

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e_babes

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boothy wrote:

to be fair i think soapbar is goin out the market, havent seen any for years

i used to smoke it when i was 13 and wanst clued up 😉 £35 a quarter ounce, ah dear me

I still smoke dope – mind you, perhaps its got somefink to do with being on the dole and its cheap – £5er an 1/8 raaa

Mind you, I prefer weed on the comedown – I don’t like smoking weed all the time – but I prefer the body buzz pot gives where as weed gives you more of a mental buzz
March 1, 2008 at 5:07 pm

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MisterDuck

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e_babes wrote:

I still smoke dope – mind you, perhaps its got somefink to do with being on the dole and its cheap – £5er an 1/8 raaa

Mind you, I prefer weed on the comedown – I don’t like smoking weed all the time – but I prefer the body buzz pot gives where as weed gives you more of a mental buzz

what was i on about, i meant £35 an ounce

we had £5 for 1/8th too, which was alrite for schoolkids, dinner money went on hash and school dinners went unpaid for :laugh_at:
March 5, 2008 at 12:43 am

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Joker78

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JonnyQuest wrote:

i agree just like getting to work on time and saying hello to the boss, shiney shoes, early nights, always knowing the time and getting told what to do raaa i like drugs the way they are,

alcohol is a drug and its legal, causes a shit load of problems

My awesome radar is detecting a tad of sarcasm.

Q. Do you think alcohol would cause less problems if it was illegal?

Prohibition in the USA was an absolute disaster.

I used to hold a similar view Jonny. Like it was more fun that drugs are illegal. But in time I realised that far too many lives were being wrecked because of stigma, prison time, gangland distribution, lack of purity, having to resort to crime to sustain a serious habit, lack of information, lack of truth, lack of education etc etc.

I find your analogy of ‘behaving for the boss’ somewhat interesting and ironic. In that the boss tells you what to do, get in early, shiney shoes etc. Concerning drugs, our government takes on the role of ‘the boss’ and it tells us what we can and cannot do’.

Fuck the boss – nobody should be able to tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodies.

What aspect of the current drug laws do you find attractive?
March 5, 2008 at 3:04 am

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JonnyQuest

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JulesDogg wrote:

What aspect of the current drug laws do you find attractive?

the anarchism and im not saying make alcohol illegal would stop problems thats jsut my point shit would still be bad if things were legal, drug dealers trying to undercut shops, shops selling drugs robbed i like em illegal cause i dont like the government
March 5, 2008 at 3:13 am

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Joker78

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JonnyQuest wrote:

the anarchism and im not saying make alcohol illegal would stop problems thats jsut my point shit would still be bad if things were legal, drug dealers trying to undercut shops, shops selling drugs robbed i like em illegal cause i dont like the government

Do you agree that the current drug laws can cause unnecessary suffering for some people?

If so, should the status quo be maintained?

If things were still ‘bad’ under a different regime. Can you conceive of any changes to the current model that would make things less bad?

Have you throughly considered the variety of models that could be used in place of the current one?

Are there any alternatives that you consider worthy of discussion?

I don’t understand how a personal dislike of the government would lead to support of their drug laws. This seems contradictory, please explain.
March 5, 2008 at 3:16 am

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JonnyQuest

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JulesDogg wrote:

Do you agree that the current drug laws can cause unnecessary suffering for some people?

If so, should the status quo be maintained?

If things were still ‘bad’ under a different regime. Can you conceive of any changes to the current model that would make things less bad?

Have you throughly considered the variety of models that could be used in place of the current one?

Are there any alternatives that you consider worthy of discussion?

current drug laws do cause problems for some people yeah, but they become legal and a bunch of kids get some teenager at there school to buy em aload of sniff and they do it like scarface? thats not a good thing.

drugs being illegal are good in a way as when your younger you believe the lies which keeps you away from drugs for a little while at least and thats good since nobody can deny drugs dont help the naturally development of the body and mind being illegal makes people wait till there ready to experience these things
March 5, 2008 at 3:27 am

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Joker78

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JonnyQuest wrote:

current drug laws do cause problems for some people yeah, but they become legal and a bunch of kids get some teenager at there school to buy em aload of sniff and they do it like scarface? thats not a good thing.

drugs being illegal are good in a way as when your younger you believe the lies which keeps you away from drugs for a little while at least and thats good since nobody can deny drugs dont help the naturally development of the body and mind being illegal makes people wait till there ready to experience these things

Are you assuming that ‘any modification’ of current legislation would automatically lead to higher drug comsumption amongst younger users?

Am I to assume that you advocate no changes whatsoever?

In your view, are there any modifications to the current situation that merit discussion?
March 5, 2008 at 3:33 am

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JonnyQuest

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JulesDogg wrote:

Are you assuming that ‘any modification’ of current legislation would automatically lead to higher drug comsumption amongst younger users?

Am I to assume that you advocate no changes whatsoever?

In your view, are there any modifications to the current situation that merit discussion?

greatly reduced punishment, greatly reduced, i lvoe drugs and i dont want people to get hurt by em , but saying all drugs should be legal is foolhardy, weed should fall into the same catergory as tobacco being that u should be 18 to buy it. pills should be the same as there not dangerous but hardly gonna be good on a young persns brain and body whereas they would probably avoid until they were older in the current system, coke , meth. smack, should all remain illegal as they are naughty well maby not sniff, i dunno i just dont think all drugs should be legal, the drugs i listed should be legal (weed pills) but i dont want them to be
March 5, 2008 at 3:55 am

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Joker78

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JonnyQuest wrote:

greatly reduced punishment, greatly reduced, i lvoe drugs and i dont want people to get hurt by em , but saying all drugs should be legal is foolhardy, weed should fall into the same catergory as tobacco being that u should be 18 to buy it. pills should be the same as there not dangerous but hardly gonna be good on a young persns brain and body whereas they would probably avoid until they were older in the current system, coke , meth. smack, should all remain illegal as they are naughty well maby not sniff, i dunno i just dont think all drugs should be legal, the drugs i listed should be legal (weed pills) but i dont want them to be

Jonny, glad to see you have something to offer the debate and that finally we can agree that certain aspects of current drug law could possibly be improved. I was beginning to think that your stance was simply a blanket disagreement with whatever I posted.
March 15, 2008 at 12:11 pm

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Raj

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Expecting that legalisation would increase drug use over time is not a proven theory.

In area where possesion has been decriminalised drug use has gone down – check the swiss and german opiate experiment zones, portuguese drug law changes, etc.

The legalisation of drugs takes away the taboo attraction – these are the people for whom underage drinking was more attractive than drinking is once they are legally old enough to do it…..as well as the fact they dont have to try and get it or consume it without being caught.

Another big plus is the fact that if they run into difficulties they arent scared to ask for help and the taxation of the drugs would raise funds for the NHS [well I would hope they would get them] so treating them wouldnt be the big black financial hole it is just now.

More research into the effects would also be possible and many of the ‘party’ drugs [E, LSD etc] have potential therapeutic uses which IMO need to be harnessed to reintegrate displaced members of society [Post traumatic stress sufferers among others – lots of serving personel from the gulf wars have this and MDMA as a treatment is now being studied {funded by the Bush Administration no less} to see if they can be helped] Many of those drugs were in therapeutic use before they were made illegal and it would be good to get back to exploring those uses as well as the interaction of MDMA with the bodies of parkinson sufferers, etc etc

Oh yes and lets not forget that drug possesion offences would no longer clog our prisons as they would be legally available and not proscribed
March 15, 2008 at 4:34 pm

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Joker78

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Raj, all good points. I could not agree more. This phoney ‘War on drugs’ is a total failure and benefits nobody apart from gangland bosses.
March 15, 2008 at 6:13 pm

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JonnyQuest

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JulesDogg wrote:

Raj, all good points. I could not agree more. This phoney ‘War on drugs’ is a total failure and benefits nobody apart from gangland bosses.

i agree with you!!!!!!!!!

however i think legalising drugs with just swing us into a load of differant problems
March 15, 2008 at 10:23 pm

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its-a-rave-dave

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Tbh I don’t think the UK could handle legalised drugs, they would just get used as the blame for all yob attacks aswell. Strange how amsterdam copes so well with its policies on weed. If anything was legalised i would say it would be weed but you will always get the haters. 😥 So yeah i say leave them be with the laws.
March 16, 2008 at 3:56 pm

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Joker78

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its-a-rave-dave wrote:

Strange how amsterdam copes so well with its policies on weed.

The Dutch model of tolerance and the Portugese decriminalisation approach seem to work so much better than absolute prohibition.

I don’t think it strange that in Holland the approach to weed works. The authorities just treat their populace as adults who are capable of making their own decisions.

A lot of the problem seems to be that we are all socially conditioned to accept the drug laws as they are and lack the imagination to think of workable alternatives.

A lot could be learned from the more successful policies employed by some of our European neighbours.
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