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i wasnt being argumentative i was just seeing if it could be done/had been done? obviously not…
I am really chuffed to see guys being prepared to join the ranks of sound systems/rigs…keep on keeping on.
WRT paranoia – don’t be too hasty to give it up before you have even started. It is well worth it – the buzz of entertaining the right people in a wicked venue with little or no “rules” is pretty hard to beat. Just think of it this way> If you start the rig and parties at the back end of this summer, by 2010 (which ain’t that far away) you could be coming back from five days raving proper hard in Italy/France/Bulgaria/Poland etc, and be thinking back to those early days with your little rig and your twenty mates in 2007….
Believe me, it ain’t easy, and you will find yourself facing some tricky situations with the OB as well as idiots who attend. But if you have a good crew, and build a safe reputation with your punters, you will live to enjoy it and love it.
We started off small, sometimes with less than 30 people in a warehouse big enough for 5-600!! or at a club with less than 30 mates (who never pay) still trying to break even.
If you wanna buy some decent “get you started” rig – check my gallery and make me an offer – everything is for sale and everything is negotiable.
Listen to the folks like Globalloon, Gen Lighting, Use, etc – they know their shit and they are not gonna advise you to do stupid things which will lead to your rig/you being nicked. BUT, do remember that what you are doing is still illegal – I have spent time in cells, and I’ve had to go across the country to get my rig back from various police stations.
Don’t do the “hire it to yourself” or a mate trick – like the pros say – it don’t work. It did, but that was way back when the OB were persuadable.
I reckon you should do it. Start small, grow carefully, respect the Old Bill, the locals and the landowners and you will have a great time.
Even being known by OB has its advantages, as long as they know you as the rig that tidies up, doesn’t create vehicle issues (emergency access etc), that talks to them, and that leaves when it says it will. And one final point on this rant:
It doesn’t matter if you stop a party – there will always be another one. We used to stop em if they wanted us to. When you think of a ten year career in putting on parties, having a few stopped ain’t gonna taint the fun over the whole period.
Sorry to go on, but I think that the new blood needs to be encouraged, even if the old boys have quit now (like me!)
Safe
Dan
Its worth going to a decent bookshop with an Ordnance Survey section and getting a set of up to date maps of the area – this will also give you an idea of how small (compared to other areas of the country) the Thames Valley actually is, and why large gatherings caused various problems.
Also too many people don’t look further than 15-20 miles from where they live, or caned the same areas repeatedly.
You need very good local knowledge even if you are doing 100% legal events just to get through the licensing process.
Bear in mind as well the cops have 20 years worth of intelligence material on the rave scene, both legal and illegal.
One thing which counts against the younger lot is a significant minority from our generation who started out as idealistic young ravers went on to class A drugs use and criminal activity because they couldn’t or wouldn’t control their drug use and/or breaking the law “increased the buzz”
The cops have had to pick up the pieces of all this over the years and that colours their judgement on how they see the current youth. They also form their judgements on crews by who is involved, the company they keep, and how they behave both online and at street level.
Its not a case of “giving in” but respecting the fact there is the “other side” and they have the right to their views and opinions about our scene, and that they will also monitor closely sites such as this, SJ, DSI and everywhere else. Many who disagree with the views on a site won’t argue or register (some even fear “their computers may get hacked”), they will just copy and paste something they see and send it to people in authority that they think “can deal with it”.
Lots of police forces and councils now have encrypted reporting forms for “reporting anti-social behaviour”. Some accept anonymous reports.
Too many crews today seem to ignore the fact that lots of “normal” people disagree vehemently with the concept of invading someone elses private resources and if a rave is done badly even if cops can’t shut it down, the locals feel they have been “bullied” and “intimidated”.
Maybe you could get a landowners permission to hold a small event?
Although after the complete mess of ‘The Yarmouth siege’, I doubt many people would be willing to help us ‘evil’ ravers now!!!
we are a bunch of cunts really
its only a small minority of youth who are fucking up this whole country and getting everyone else demonised
but look at the exam thread and all the clever teenagers on there, they are doing far better than my generation did in high school and managing to juggle partying and education
when people disappeared from the net only a few years ago it was often because they had overdone the drugs and ended up living transient / chaotic lifestyles
now its far more often the case they are at University studying hard or have got a more demanding career
there is a new generation of more clued up youth coming through, plus not all the old heads from the 1990s have fucked up – some of them may now know people who are inheriting farms/land/buildings as they grow older and there is a generation about now who still enjoy the party/festival culture, they just don’t want to see pointless violence by anybody (either angry youths or cops)
there is still a bit of hope left but people need to smarten up and regain their sense of solidarity..
this is definately true – there are a few about
Yep there are quite a few! But they dont suffer fools at there events!
innit. apparently we’re all drug-addicted, knife wieldin maniacs who stab people for gang-pride, or somethin.
always the story tho, minority fuck it up for the masses.
Don’t let paranoia stop you from doing it….
Remember – firstly, a party isn’t actually illegal until it has been section 63’d – ie the police have arrived and asked you to stop, and you’ve ignored them. So first rule is – if they tell you to stop, do it. Choose a backup site beforehand that you can move the party to if necessary.
If you can get permission from the landowner, so much the better (although you can still be section 63’d if they get complaints). Not sure how the law stands in England WRT trespass laws (they don’t exist up here in Scotland).
Next, remember – if the party is advertised in the public domain (ie all over the internet), they can and may very well come after you with the PEL legislation. So don’t put it in the public domain – make sure it’s friends, and friends of friends etc… It may take a while to build a big crowd of party goers, but it will be worth it….
Make sure you respect the land, and surroundings. Try not to do parties where they will antagonise local people, and make sure the site is cleaned up when you leave it (hard to do yourself while organising rig etc, but you will find people coming to the parties take on this responsibility for you fairly quickly…) The quickest way to get your rig nailed is to get a rep for being obnoxious to locals, or for coming and trashing the places you have parties and leaving it to others to tidy up.
Common sense really when it comes down to it…:wink:
The only way to change attitudes made sour by the various press coverage of riots etc is to be entirely reasonable – OK, occasionally it will mean you have to can the party one weekend (that you put down to experience, and move on). But you’ve no reason to be paranoid unless you know your crowd is going to be the type that riots when the party is stopped, or the police show up (in which case, time to get a different crowd…:wink:)
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