I was chatting to some of the older hippys recently and there was a ton of shit at Castlemorton, people getting robbed etc and many of the bad people got away with it. Also there was 100+ cars left behind which had been robbed from ordinary decent families just for ravers to get there which makes it hard for ravers to claim the moral high ground..
its just that at our age (I was there too and had a wicked time) we were too young to notice it (same as the ravers today didn’t notice as much of the trouble at the Londonistan NYE party).
The beaten dealer may not have sold dodgy pills, but I expect they either sold heroin or grassed up loads of people afterwards. Even if they get a kicking scum don’t say “well you beat me fair and square guv’nor, I’m giving up my bad ways..”
r1cky1 wrote:
We can all fight but we choose not to.
But if i was to see some1 getting mugged or beaten anywhere at a rave or in town, iam sure i would help.
Most people at partys look like they can look after them selfs anyway.
Hope you dont have to fight but dont get bullied.
Anywax sounds like the bullies got bullyed this time.
Fair play mate who ever you are.
it isn’t the case that people aren’t “looking after themselves” though. They are fighting back, but others aren’t going to concede their territory, and the “defeated” bullies keep returning for another fight.
Bullies are cowards but ruthless ones who can strike quickly, cause a lot of damage and then do a runner. There are lots of ways a big social gathering like a rave (or even a public meeting) can be fucked over, I won’t even discuss specifics here for security reasons as you never know whose reading.
Look at it this way though – in the wider world, politicians guarded by soldiers have been killed in broad daylight. People going about their business on public transport have been blown to atoms without warning.
Society, whether its conventional or alternative depends on people agreeing with each other to an extent on acceptable standards of behaviour. As soon as enough disagree, conflict can escalate. What has happened is all the “townie” stuff that chaps like us went to parties to escape has now arrived at the parties and without trained security (and proper event security are as much mediators as bouncers) things are getting a lot messier. We have lost the ability to self-regulate.
Whilst people should stick up for themselves if everyone is attending an event expecting it to kick off then it changes the atmosphere (like London free parties today). Violence should never be a part of a “normal” night out, otherwise there is something wrong there.
Also when people fight they get injured. The NHS has to patch them up and use taxpayers money and the non-raving taxpayers argue this is a good reason why illegal raves should not happen. At least with a pub fight the booze taxes have paid towards treatment costs, or they would if our govt didn’t spend them on wars instead!.
Now this is venturing into “hippy spiritual” stuff but I do think also the vibe you put across, music, selection of people, the way they interact and an abstract concept of “spreading good karma” makes a lot of difference.
Thats IMO why Norfolk parties were so fluffy until recently, even when there is trouble it is usually young boys who often aren’t old enough to know better and is between people what know one another [usually arguments over girls etc].
Also I think smaller crowds are the way forward (150-200 people) that way anyone what acts like an idiot can be identified and ostracised from the community..
