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September 10, 2006 at 6:16 pm

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General Lighting

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This weekend Suffolk Constabulary contacted the landlord of the Silver Star in an attempt to dissuade him from letting Flabbergast go ahead, claiming there were “links with illegal raves”, and a “risk of disorder”, and left the phone number of a police officer.

Promoter Dan Doolittle then this an officer and it was explained to the cop that Flabbergast is a legal event in licensed premises which complies with license conditions and there has been no trouble! The event went ahead as planned without any problems.

The cop also said he was asking questions because there had been a stabbing at a venue where another local drum and bass even was held; but there are no links between the other events and Flabbergast (other than the events play dance music!)

Another drum and bass event at the Station Hotel, Ipswich was closed down by the Police.

There have also been comments on DSI chatroom claiming that Bedfordshire Police visited the High Voltage night (hard dance and hardcore) and were “checking license conditions etc”.

Of course people may start the night at one and then go on to somwhere else which may not be licensed; but the promoters cannot be expected to police what people do after the venue has closed…

OK cops have to try and stop violence/trouble but this won’t happen by trying to frighten people away from playing dance music – and how come when trouble occurs at the big clubs like Zest and Liquid/Envy they don’t get closure orders or their promoters put on surveillance?

In Essex where there are AFAIK no proper underground dance nights there is even more violence on the streets and still as much drugs being consumed; its hardly “made the streets safer”!

Most of these smaller licensed events are run by people who want to put on a decent night without the risks associated with unlicensed raves – if anything the authorities should be welcoming them; but it looks like we all need to stick up for one another to fight for our right to party even if people are doing stuff by the book….
September 13, 2006 at 10:37 pm

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gv23

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FFS

so, its a case of you’re damned if you do (comply) and you’re damned if you dont??????
September 13, 2006 at 10:44 pm

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yep,unless you have money to threaten the feds/council with legal action maybe? (see my other post on what happened at Fire and Ice this weekend)
September 13, 2006 at 10:55 pm

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There is plenty of violence and stabbings at standard pub nights. Can’t say I’ve noticed them shutting down every pub in an area and hassling them though.

In fact, there is a pub opposite my house where there has been various violent incidents. However, they are allowed to carry on way past their licensed hours (with the door open so not a ‘lock in’) and recieve no hassle at all from police who know full well what goes on. I know this because I’m kept awake by it every night until the early hours. It’s not so bad in the winter but in the summer it’s a joke to try and sleep with the window shut.
September 13, 2006 at 11:22 pm

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General Lighting

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Cops specifically mentioned “illegal raves” to Dan and something about “intelligence received” – I think they expected the night to end up as a meeting point for a rave?!:you_crazy it was basically as if someone had someone on high had told the bobbies to try and stop as many “rave-type events” as they could.

Anyway it seems that cops got plenty to deal with elsewhere that night and had to leave us alone…
September 14, 2006 at 5:54 pm

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this takes the piss! are we heading to a place where we cant even breathe without them first checking if its ok to???? ok a bit extreme, but u know what i mean. “oh no, people have their own mind must be the dance music, trying to stop raves isnt good enough, these people are persistant,,, ban and burn all dance music…….”
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September 14, 2006 at 9:50 pm

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:crazy: hello peeps

Well as most of ya proberly know im dan doolittle lol

Im the promoter/owner of flabbergast which is a underground front for all the illegal partys in this country along side highVoltage in bedford.
PLease be aware that if you come to our events we will push drugs onto you and drag you to a freeparty. We are dangerous ravers and dance in a funny way

I will tell all that i know on friday night as im bloody knackered, You will laugh your heads off when i tell you what i was told

BY THE POLICE
December 4, 2006 at 3:34 pm

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they (Suffolk constabulary) have done exactly the same thing this weekend past (2006-12-02) and contacted the owners of Studio 3 in BSE on the friday before, claiming “the event is linked to illegal raves”..:you_crazy
December 4, 2006 at 3:46 pm

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BioTech

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General Lighting wrote:

they (Suffolk constabulary) have done exactly the same thing this weekend past (2006-12-02) and contacted the owners of Studio 3 in BSE on the friday before, claiming “the event is linked to illegal raves”..:you_crazy

I don’t quite understand what they are trying to achieve here.

Even if these events were linked to illegal raves then it means they are trying to prevent people from doing things the right (licensed) way and depriving them of having any “monitored” fun that they can keep an eye on. The people will feel cheated by the authorities and would feel they had no choice but to do things unlicensed therefore creating more work for the police.

It’s as if they WANT these raves to happen to keep them busy. Or maybe they want to get some nice stories in the papers praising them on their efforts.
December 4, 2006 at 4:07 pm

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General Lighting

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BioTech wrote:

Or maybe they want to get some nice stories in the papers praising them on their efforts.

yep – they still have that stubborn dogma and outdated views which deludes them into thinking that closing down all legal “rave-type” events would miraculously stop drugs use in the county…

In fact what it does and can clearly be seen to be doing on the streets of my town is pushing youths into taking worse drugs in worse conditions.
December 4, 2006 at 5:39 pm

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In France,we have exactly the same problems…

Some good mates,tired to fight for free parties tried to organize officials events.They invited a lot people(as Otto von Schirac,Speakterror and me,for exemple)for a great nite of hardcore/breakcore.They rented a concert hall with a licence,printed flyers and posters,bought all the drinks,and else,and else…

At 7 PM,as we were installing,the cops came,and tried to close the event before it began.My friends
had all the necesseray papers,but…the cops had simply been ordered to forbid the event.

Why? The excuse was that 3 week ago there was a fight…during a punk-rock event!!!But as said a cool cop,the authorities didn’t want any “electronic music event”.That’s all.

Noneless to say my friends lost a lot of money,and a lot of people were angry.But who cares about “ravers”(who were actually all kind of musically curious people…).

And imagine,the amount of beer we had to drink : )
December 4, 2006 at 7:23 pm

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BioTech

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665 wrote:

Why? The excuse was that 3 week ago there was a fight…during a punk-rock event!!!But as said a cool cop,the authorities didn’t want any “electronic music event”.That’s all.

It’s a joke! :you_crazy

They force people’s hands so they have no choice but to put on unlicensed events. The other option is to deny yourself the enjoyment of certain types of music but how much of a social injustice is that! It’s like the 1950’s when rock music was labeled as the devils music and was esentially outlawed until it became accepted. Dance music has had a similar struggle but it seems to be lasting for longer.

Ironically the people making all the rules now are the ones that put up with the discrimination from their elders back in the 50’s.
December 4, 2006 at 7:25 pm

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odge

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There was a stabbing at a pub party my mates, were putting on a few months ago at the pigeons, looks like the pub is now being closed down, not sure if it was due to the stabbing but i bet it didnt help, the brewerys desicion.
December 4, 2006 at 7:46 pm

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raverbaby wrote:

There was a stabbing at a pub party my mates, were putting on a few months ago at the pigeons, looks like the pub is now being closed down, not sure if it was due to the stabbing but i bet it didnt help, the brewerys desicion.

We hire the soundsystem to a dnb promoter whose events have just been cancelled in a club where the toilets were ever so slightly damaged. They have held 6 events there so far without incident and the damage is literally about £20 worth.

Despite pulling in 200 odd people each time (creating a fair bit of revenue for the club through bar sales which could EASILY cover the damage) the club have decided to boot them out because of it. This is despite the fact that many other events are held there with fights and damage but they are house, happy hardcore, rock/indie events.

You could say the club is just trying to get rid of the moody element but I’ve never felt ‘unsafe’ at these events and the crowd is on the whole very friendly and happy, which isn’t often the case with licensed DnB parties.

Such a shame.
December 4, 2006 at 7:57 pm

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globalloon

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it’s shit. seems the situation for doolittle was down to putting the event on the web, but in 1993 me and a bunch of mates had similar problems

i went to college in a town called exmouth. nightlife was backward to say the least…the only place in town was ‘Sams’

I had been thrown out , on the two occassions (physically chucked down the concrete stairs 2nd time) i went there “for dancing” on an empty dance floor (probably to eye of the tiger or someshite). there were regular bad fights there and outside

so with a few mates we were spurred into sorting something out. there was a large venue called the pavillion which was dying on it’s arse…. on a friday the night a couple of dull middle aged blokes could be found propping up the bar in a venue that could hold 500 easy,with a large dance floor. they also had a 1am license for private parties

so we borrowed a small sound system, put out a few hundred invitations and had a good night out, playing mostly house and good stuff of the day (from strictly rhythm to the scientist to ffrrr). the licensee was chuffed to bits at the end of the night… his tills were stuffed and there hadn’t been a single argument or problem all night

we did it again, and again. then a few C.I.D. came down one night… don’t know where they got hold of our invitations, but is irrelevant

they took the licensee into his office and said that he would get busted for drugs unless he stopped us using the venue again

there may have been a handful of people on e or speed, but AFAIK there was no dealing, no fighting, no blatent drug use, just some people dancing

we had no recourse at all, even though it was all legal… the licensee was worried enough after this visit to stop us coming back, although he admitted he hadn’t noticed anyone off their head… the cops never talked to us… we weren’t given any option like bring in security…the cops just stopped the fun
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