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a while ago me and my mates were on our way to a certain rave
our vehicles were stopped in Mid Suffolk by the black rats, in their vehicle were two plain clothes officers and two uniform.
we tried to convince them we were going to Jokers in Stow but they weren’t believing it :laugh_at:
one cop asking the questions to my mate who was driving was fairly young.
Somewhere between age 26 and my age.
Of course they were doing the usual cop stuff (although didn’t actually search any of us), but he ended up chatting to us all about music and raves.
He knew about Kniteforce, Luna-C, Sub base, united dance etc and lots of legal events in Suffolk/Essex up to about 1994/5… This wasn’t someone badly acting from a “how to act down with da yoof” training manual likes some “deep cover training” – he knew the score.
This man was once a raver.
I mean if he weren’t a fed, that Binge, Biotech and Titch could have had a proper good chat with him about tunes and stuff.
yet here he was in uniform, getting ready to notify our details to the rest of the rave response squad, TBH as he was youngest I think he may even have told the others where to park and what to look for..
“he never lost his hardcore” – yet in the end he joined the Victor Lima crew.
There was a bit of despair in his voice as he said (a bit quietly) that “look, there is a new initiative and we have been told to seize the rig whatever happens as its come from up high”. I think my mate did ask him why he became a cop but he ducked the question a bit, although he hinted that it was because “things got out of hand on the rave scene”.
but whatever happened to him on a personal level must have been bad – this is not the sort of thing you would do on a whim, not after years of fun and music – it makes you wonder though, how many more are there? (well I know of two others although from W/SE england) 😥
our vehicles were stopped in Mid Suffolk by the black rats, in their vehicle were two plain clothes officers and two uniform.
we tried to convince them we were going to Jokers in Stow but they weren’t believing it :laugh_at:
one cop asking the questions to my mate who was driving was fairly young.
Somewhere between age 26 and my age.
Of course they were doing the usual cop stuff (although didn’t actually search any of us), but he ended up chatting to us all about music and raves.
He knew about Kniteforce, Luna-C, Sub base, united dance etc and lots of legal events in Suffolk/Essex up to about 1994/5… This wasn’t someone badly acting from a “how to act down with da yoof” training manual likes some “deep cover training” – he knew the score.
This man was once a raver.
I mean if he weren’t a fed, that Binge, Biotech and Titch could have had a proper good chat with him about tunes and stuff.
yet here he was in uniform, getting ready to notify our details to the rest of the rave response squad, TBH as he was youngest I think he may even have told the others where to park and what to look for..
“he never lost his hardcore” – yet in the end he joined the Victor Lima crew.
There was a bit of despair in his voice as he said (a bit quietly) that “look, there is a new initiative and we have been told to seize the rig whatever happens as its come from up high”. I think my mate did ask him why he became a cop but he ducked the question a bit, although he hinted that it was because “things got out of hand on the rave scene”.
but whatever happened to him on a personal level must have been bad – this is not the sort of thing you would do on a whim, not after years of fun and music – it makes you wonder though, how many more are there? (well I know of two others although from W/SE england) 😥
thats quite a sad story ..
its one what has to be told as its becoming more common especially as this scene matures.
I know of girls who used to be full on ravers, protestors and squatters who joined up in part because they got badly treated by blokes from the party scene, and also then saw young chavs (often inspired by drug culture and the lifestylles of the older blokes) making life difficult for everyone where they lived whilst they were trying to bring up kids as a single mother
These girls have seen the alternative “free” society go so bad they have totally lost faith and supported control and authority (also with girls/women they can change due to hormones and it is very easy for them to become very conservative as its from the natural instinct when they need to be come responsible and protective as mothers)
I was also told about another cop (Essex this time) during the 2006 riot who had a chat with some of the ravers – he said his ex-GF was a FHM top model but got too much into coke – she wrecked her mind, body and looks and then dumped him (at the point he wasn’t in the job) for a dealer and basically got slapped around by this man and used as a crackwhore
and that was why the man joined up and became totally anti drugs (I think he might even have been a bit more liberal minded beforehand!)
I don’t mean to excuse any of the wrong shit they do but there is a human story behind many of those coppers and there are often less knuckledraggers and psychos in the force these days (well apart from the two you met maybe) –
there are people who genuinely believe in what they are doing and are as passionate about it as we are to party and have rave and take drugs – they may not particularly like the shields and batons bit but they feel it needs to be done in the same way some people think its OK to bust a gate on farmers land..
also those who know our culture obviously can pass on info to cops who are more “out of touch” – the more I think about it the way we got pulled was as if “PC hardcore” had actually said “right this is where they are liable to stop whilst waiting for the convoy/updates where the rig van was”
we need to be fully aware of this if we ever going to try and find some common ground to rebuild the eastsides party scene..
yeah i have met some pretty cool cops in my time .. well as cool as they can be under the curcumstance .. been directed to a squat party by one cop b4 .. that was pretty mad … me and a friend were wondering around totnam looknig for the enterance to the party as the old enterance had been bricked up .. and as we walked past a police car one leaned out and went “you looking for the rave?” .. after a bit of diliberation we said yes ..more for a joke than any thing .. and he went .. “well if you go down there and to the left thats where you get in” .. :hopeless: ..ledgend :laugh_at:
i think cops in worse areas are better, because they have more serious crime to deal with.
this is based on my experiences from york to manchester. york is relatively a low-crime city, so the police stick their noses in everywhere, caution people outside college for possesion, etc.
manchester you can walk down the street smoking a spliff, pretty much. i’ve seen this happen many times, even done it myself. because there is serious crime to be dealing with, the coppers dont bother themselves with petty stuff.
hull is a bit different case, the humberside police are shit and avoid going after the big guys because they blatantly have no control over serious crime there. they are pretty useless and make petty arrests to try and get up from the bottom of the police force rankings.
for example:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/may/12/drugsandalcohol.drugs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4204922.stm
recently the cops did major raids on hull and only arrested small-timers. i honestly think humberside police have little control over the drug imports and gangs in hull.
there is actually a lot of serious crime in Suffolk and East anglia, apart from the obvious drug importing and dealing (well its by the sea!) there is a lot of tension on the streets and within communities
its a different profile though. you are unlikley to be a victim of random crime (unless walking down a dark alleyway) but there are a lot of problems between people what know one another – its the sort of place where men fight to the death over a grudge started in middle school :hopeless:
then you’ve got the immigration and racial tension, there were gangs going through the UEA beating up any arab students they saw as a “payback for terrorism..”
Shitloads of domestic violence etc, man killed his own baby not too far away from where I live, also two lads got knifes and stabbed each other (it was like they had been telling their families they were gonna do it an noone believe them but they did) – every night there is armed police patrol because of the crackhouse in one area
Yet I feel perfectly safe, had a few racial remarks but from cowardly lads safely inside cars who drive away quickly , nothing really bad.
but the real issue here is these young people our age who were ravers walking away and from it joining up to the Police… I am just wondering why, something must have gone badly wrong with their life whilst partying…
yea ive come accross some safe piggies before. was chilling at my mates one friday night, half ounce of weed on the table, spliff in the ashtray and a bag of pills right next to me. when we heard a knock at the door. i dunno what came over me but i decided to put the pills in my pocket as soon as my mate left the room to answer the door… then a few seconds later my mates head pops round the door looking straight at me saying “its ok dan.. just someone who wants to talk to me” then all i can see is high-vis bang infront of me. 2 copppers! i then realised the room stunk of weed.. big bag of it sitting right infront of me and i had about 30 pills in my pocket.. so i made an exuse and said i would let them talk alone.. and went and sat in my car.. but stashed the pills in a bush as i walked out. so i sat there for about 10 mins shitting myself thinking they would do us for the weed, and somehow know where i stashed the pills. but then i got a knock on the window and it was one of the coppers telling me i could go back in. apparently they sniffed the air and made somekind of sarcastic remark about the weed and how they noticed the bag.. but coz they were there on other business they didnt have time to do anything about it and let us keep it. nice one!
in the 90s ACPO were getting really worried about the amount of cops what not only had liberal views on drugs but would take them themselves (especially due to the risk of corruption)
a while back I was amused to read of a TVP officer being busted by Notts for doing drugs in a club! he was detective rank as well!
TVP cautioned him but sacked him from the force immediately and gave his name to the papers as an example..
this is also why you rarely see proper “deep cover” undercover policing at raves and young CID are often “chaperoned” by a older senior officer. They just lost too many young detectives to the drugs culture (not always raves, also the more violent and corrupt dealing side of it) and it costs thousands of OUR money to train each one, which is lost permanently when they are disciplined and sacked..
I like to think that most old bill are just ordinary folk doing a hard job. But the reality is there working for the enemy/government who make the unjust laws and they enforce them.
I’ve got friends who are retired coppers and there now doing creative things and working with youth music projects. I find the sound ones are the older lot who have seen the real shit things in life/on the job and they know who the real scum bags are.
exactly. And this is what makes it all the more harrowing.
Like I said I didn’t know the full story about “PC Hardcore”, but he came across as an intelligent man who knew what he was doing and clearly didn’t feel the laws he was enforcing were that unjust.
we all knew people from high school who you just knew were gonna be coppers or soldiers, it often wasn’t even that they were getting bullied, it was just they believed in the power of uniforms and authority, sometimes as a force for good.
But increasingly me and my mates are encountering coppers who do not fit into that stereotype, people who once were fully into alternative lifestyles and cultures but had such a negative experience within that culture they turned the other way.
This copper we encountered would be as if Binge suddenly cut off his ponytail, gave up all drugs and drink, did sports and gym every day, went to college and then joined the Met (but kept all his records and secretly listened to them at night…)
This IMO is worse than any “conspiracy or infiltration” as it means something is rotten within our culture (often its the undercurrent of violence, misogyny and dysfunctional behaviour) to turn round good people like that…
Nice example GL! I’ll have you know I have a degree already, and am actually thinking of cutting the ponytail off!!! May even join a gym when I move to london……….(See you on the other side of a riot shield in a few years!!!!)
Although tbh I can see where a lot of these ‘converts’ are coming from. The older I get the more I hate the whole drug scene, how it turns everyone eventually into selfish zombies. I barely do anything ‘crazy’ now-a-days, and am starting to like the idea of becoming a responsible member of society. Most people I find do start to move in this direction in their mid- 20s.
Although I think i’ll focus on djing and music production rather than joining the MET!!!
Mate i agree, I’m growing tired of the drug scene now. Been at it for a long time now and i don’t get the same enjoyment out of it that i once did. Watching all my mates going paranoid ain’t helping as well! :hopeless:
Thats why hopefully i should be a Navy boy by the end of the year. Although looking at it, it’s more likely gonna be next spring now. 😉
maybe he’s going undercover in the police for the ravers
Haha that would be be pretty sweet! 😉
its already happened
in the mid 90s metpol put in loads of young undercover cops to try and infiltrate the rave scene
several of them ended up getting on drugs and also re-selling confiscated gear – then one of them done so much he got para, turned born again christian and grassed on all the rest (on the advice of the vicar)
I think a few of them got chucked out of the force, and it wasn’t that sweet when you consider the amount of taxpayers money what was spent to train them and all for nothing…
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