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February 24, 2008 at 2:31 pm

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General Lighting

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OK its fun to share photos and memories and banter about what happened at parties but if you live in the same ends you can get together in real life and do that

if you are separated by distance theres such things as telephones that the feds can’t listen to unless they do bare paperwork (the hardest warrant to get is to monitor voice traffic from the telephone network)

But so many people still upload party videos to youtube and other places complete with rig names :you_crazy There are the obvious local problems of the cops finding them and taking action. OK in many cases its nothing more than what cops already know about from their own CCTV in cars, and may not be enough to get individuals or even crews immediately nicked but it does count towards evidence against them, especially for ASBO cases.

it also has a wider impact than your region too because of the way social networks/web2.0 work. It costs a lot of money to put video online because of bandwidth. people don’t just give away stuff for free, so there are ads on youtube and other sites.

To make it worthwhile, the reach (people who could view the video) has to be as wide as possible. if you google for these rig names (I won’t show examples because it adds to the problem) you will even find the same videos but with all text in Chinese and other foreign languages (automatic translations from youtube).

i.e (loads of Chinese characters) (baithead illegal party, little snoring, 2006-07-08) (more chinese stuff)

OK on one level its cool that Chinese people can watch the party video (assuming youtube isn’t blocked, it isn’t always in HK, Singapore and Malaysia) and they like their hard dance too but it also has a wider knock on effect.

these videos now represent Britain to foreign people as much as BBC or ITV etc.. to us its proper fun, but to others it is a blatant depiction of youths getting away with a myriad of crime especially drugs use

Now consider what sort of other publicity East Anglia has had recently and how it has been linked in with the drugs/nightlife culture… it can result in stuff like Mr Cheng and his rich businessmen friends in Kuala Lumpur and Kowloon saying

“no, we are not sending our little princesses to study at UEA or UCS because they will get into bad company, go on drugs and may even end up on the game and being strangled by evil nonce monsters from Norfolk”

OK it may be a level of exaggeration but there is a lot of competition for investment from rich Asian countries and East Anglia (with traditional trade ties to this part of the world) desperately wants that money and doesn’t want anything to stand in the way of this business. the image of an area being “safe/crime free” is a big attractor to investment…

what you do online today can affect how you are viewed by others not just in your region but halfway across the world and affects how those in power choose to enforce the laws..
February 24, 2008 at 2:42 pm

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Dom_sufc

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Well I never thought of it that deeply before. I always knew posting anything like that was a bad Idea for crews, and ravers anyway. And not forgetting the general scene’s reputation. I never thought to look this deep, but you are definitely right.

Unfortunately I doubt there would be enough colabiration from everyone to stay away from doing such things, and to actually have an effect. Afterall It only takes a few videos. A few videos Is a few people; out of 1000s of ravers…

Basically one of the biggest problems with worldwide media these days.
February 24, 2008 at 2:48 pm

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General Lighting

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it wasn’t so bad when it was confined to a few sites what were run by ravers for ravers and based mostly in the UK who did it for love rather than money. Even then the UK authorities used our “freedom of speech” against us.

What brought home the global effect to me was seeing info about all the tracks off one of my mates myspace in Chinese (and he is a proper clued up musician and activist, not a baithead, he was using myspace to host his tunes..)

I thought “hang on, when did *** learn to speak Chinese” (I only know about 3 characters myself and my dad was Chinese). I also know this man wouldn’t just want a page in Chinese like that which he couldn’t control because he disagrees with a lot of the things some East Asian nations governments do to their people – for all he knows the banner ads could be for sweatshops or government propaganda.

The problem isn’t so much the internet itself but people picking the easy options (or thinking they get more “free speech” on a social network) in doing so they are handing over control to corporates who only want to make money and aren’t going to protect a fringe/alternative culture that operates often outside the law.
February 24, 2008 at 3:31 pm

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MisterDuck

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it aint just parties, some people are just daft

there was that boy racer who as showin of his new motor, filmed him doin 120mph down a 60 road and put it on youtube, then got busted. its just common sense innit

but even some of my mates (who are fairly nouced up) have the odd pic of them with a joint in their gob, i used to have a video of a smoke-up sesh on myspace when i was about 13-14, realised now tho
February 24, 2008 at 4:15 pm

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Dom_sufc

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boothy wrote:

it aint just parties, some people are just daft

there was that boy racer who as showin of his new motor, filmed him doin 120mph down a 60 road and put it on youtube, then got busted. its just common sense innit

but even some of my mates (who are fairly nouced up) have the odd pic of them with a joint in their gob, i used to have a video of a smoke-up sesh on myspace when i was about 13-14, realised now tho

Yeah. Slightly more off-topic, but people should be careful what they have on their phones too. I stopped recording direct illegal stuff years ago.
February 28, 2008 at 3:12 pm

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Its called paranoia lads. Stay off the weed and everything will eventually be ok. 😉
February 28, 2008 at 3:23 pm

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JonnyQuest

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somone should mkae a private party youtube with an activiation code that can only be obtained in person from another member, AND IF ANYONE IS CUAGHT SHARING WE KILL THEM
February 28, 2008 at 3:50 pm

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lilmstrixta

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would that actually work, can police not get access to things like that?
February 28, 2008 at 4:04 pm

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General Lighting

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lilmstrixta wrote:

would that actually work, can police not get access to things like that?

if the cops think someone is sharing any info related to crime on a computer network they can get access to it due to anti-terrorism laws, as long as they can get through the bureaucracy involved and the resource costs

they wouldn’t do it for one or two raves but think about this

if there are 25 raves, approx 1000 people attend each and each one of those people spends £20 on drugs (probably a underestimate) that is half a million quid of illegal drugs

it then does become classed as serious/organised crime and cops feel its now worthwhile doing the surveillance… (especially if the people doing the “crime” help the cops with the evidence gathering, thus reducing their costs!)
February 28, 2008 at 4:21 pm

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lilmstrixta

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General Lighting wrote:

if the cops think someone is sharing any info related to crime on a computer network they can get access to it due to anti-terrorism laws, as long as they can get through the bureaucracy involved and the resource costs

they wouldn’t do it for one or two raves but think about this

if there are 25 raves, approx 1000 people attend each and each one of those people spends £20 on drugs (probably a underestimate) that is half a million quid of illegal drugs

it then does become classed as serious/organised crime and cops feel its now worthwhile doing the surveillance… (especially if the people doing the “crime” help the cops with the evidence gathering, thus reducing their costs!)

ahh right.interesting thing to know
February 29, 2008 at 1:49 pm

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Tek Offensive

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Dom_sufc wrote:

Yeah. Slightly more off-topic, but people should be careful what they have on their phones too. I stopped recording direct illegal stuff years ago.

yeah man, when a mate got arrested for dealing the old bill looked through his phone, videos, txts and all that.
February 29, 2008 at 1:51 pm

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Tek Offensive

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one other shit thing is that even a well organized party that never even got discovered by old bill or locals can get followed up if rig names, numberplates or locations are giving away.
February 29, 2008 at 2:23 pm

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General Lighting

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Thames Valley is one of those forces which had a lot of ex-IT industry workers join up following the dot com crash

todays bobby is a lot more IT literate, and there are also clued-up randoms who are anti-rave scanning all the sites and social networks and passing on info.
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