I’m in the very beginning stages of planning a trip to South America with my friend in January, we’re hoping to have ourselves about 3-4grand each saved up by that point, then we’re just going to stay out there until we run out of money… hopefully be able to last half a year
I was hoping for any advice or stories from people who’ve travelled out there, best places that cant be missed and places and things to avoid? we’re mainly interested in seeing the mountains, the history and the coastlines… but also some cities… im most looking forward to Peru
we’re going to try and learn either Portugese or Spanish, does anyone know which is most spoken?
whats the best way to travel around? we’re open to hitchhiking, trains, buses, buying a second hand car… were considering getting a cow to carry our stuff, we would call her Floss, paint her psychedilc colours and love her like a child…
any words of wisdom and advice for how to start planning our trip would be greatly appreciated! cheers!
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i spent a few months travelling extensively in chile, bolivia and argentina about 4 or 5 years ago
if you’re planning on visiting any of those countries, ask away and i’ll see what i can remember
in terms of which language, this link is quite interestin:
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004674.html
works out which language is most spoken per head, officially and geographically… although the bottom conclusion is effectively that there is little difference, but it lists countries and their respective languages…
If you can speak some spanish you will be able to make yourself understood though not necessarily understand what they say in reply.
If you’re going to Peru Macchu Picu is a must, I think if I could go anywhere in the world right now it’d be the Lost City of the Incas.
Sposed to be doing the travelling to South America thing next summer as well. Doing SE Asia this Xmas. :love:
yeh i wont be missing Macchu Picu for the world!
if you’re planning on visiting any of those countries, ask away and i’ll see what i can remember
well Peru, Chile and Argentina are musts on our list, and really want to see Ecuador too
whats the best and cheapest way to travel around the countries?
and is it easy enough to find places to crash without any notice or planning?
how easy is it to cross borders?
easiest way to get around latin america is by bus. many of the long distance coaches are really comfortable (in chile and especially argentina) and cheap too… reclining seats that go almost horizontal, many serve food and wine at meal times and show films with headphones provided… some are a little crazier
in the poorer latin american countries you could well be sharing a wooden slat on a bus with 2 or 3 other people and all their worldly possessions, including livestock for 18 hours on terrifying mountain roads
it’s a good idea to have a bit of understanding… many of the passengers you will be sharing with may have been saving up for months or even years for the journey that costs £5… people aren’t usually resentful that you can so easily afford this kind of trip if you make some effort to fit in (by not whinging)
i found it incredibly easy to find places to stay without any planning… the best places were the least ‘professional’.. many areas are getting geared up for european tourists and have full-time touts at all the bus terminals… you can also usually find a regular person who has a spare room in the family house and is far less pushy, but will welcome you like you’re part of their family… sniff them out. you get an insight into how people live AND get to avoid the whole backpacker banter that gets so repetitive in hostels all over the world
even in remote places where there was no pensions people from all over the pueblo would find blankets and a floor, some food and beer, make a party… sometimes I would be the centre of a whole curious villages attention for the night with a party thrown in my honour… magic
chile is outrageously hospitable and chileans LOVE the english for all kinds of historic and cultural reasons.
argentinas’ economy bottomed out badly a few years ago and they are struggling to get back to the standard of living they had (comparable to western europe). the people are still very hospitable and are glad of a little tourist money too… enjoy the best, biggest steak and wine in the world for about £4
crossing borders is variable. if you go to chile, make sure you keep the little yellow slip they give you or you have to pay $100 to leave. Bolivian and Peruvian borders can take all day while bribes are collected, but westerners are generally left alone as they don’t want to spoil the tourist trade. Argentinian border guards are all massive military types with ironed creases and metal stars all over their uniforms, but once they’ve done their duty, they love a bit of football banter
make sure you learn some castellano before you travel to get the most out of this
if there’s particular stuff you’re going for (natural wonders, ancient history, city life etc) let me know and i’ll see if i can remember some locations
oh, and whatever you do, DON’T take a guide book. they are all shit.. there is far better information available from tourist information offices, people you stay with, meet on the street etc
cheers glo thats some brilliant information, you’ve given me a bit more confidence about going and getting my arse into gear and sorting it all out.
im looking forward to losing my need for material posestions actually, and im not the type of girl to moan about uncomfortable buses, or sleeping on floors or outside, never wear makeup or worry about clean hair, so cant wait to just get out there and live free of a small minded society like newbury!
we’re gonna head to the library this weekend, take a look at maps and such forth and see if we can rent ourselves out some language books, cant say ive ever heard of castellano… a guy was telling me the other weekend at shambala that apparently in patagonia theres a welsh speaking tribe… not sure i can pick up welsh by february though!
hopefully get ourselves a rough route plan, then if its ok i’d love to pm you with some questions over the next few months, that would be a great help
cheers, rach xx
im looking forward to losing my need for material posestions actually, and im not the type of girl to moan about uncomfortable buses, or sleeping on floors or outside, never wear makeup or worry about clean hair, so cant wait to just get out there and live free of a small minded society like newbury!
you will need to rough it but take one nice frock as latin americans appreciate the effort, especially in cities (and to get into the best restaurants)
castellano is the name for spanish spoken outside spain. it has many forms
the welsh settlers actually had a war with the native americans for the most inhospitable bit of ice and rock you can imagine. i think they are still there, singing hymns in the valleys
you’d be very welcome… i like answering questions
slight tangent 😉
castellano means castilian [Castille is a region of spain] and it refers to how certain letters are pronounced [this is how it differentiates from normal espanol]
As with any language in everyday use you will find different dialects and accents being used in different areas of south america – some are very harsh and guttaral, others soft and lyrical. Wherever you are describing the lanuage as castellano it should be quite soft. They do also call the language espanol so dont worry about it.
The accents derive from the impact of the native and settler languages to the lingua franca [common tongue] which is universal wherever the spanish had the run as the result of the papal bulls.
In Brasil they speak portuguese but often refer to it as brasileiro as it has undergone legislative grammar revisions to make it more straightforward to write. [Oh yes and it sounds very different to portuguese spoken in Portugal at first hearing.]
What you will find is that spanish is a language where almost all of the everyday verbs are regular in how they end [go and look at a book with conjugation of verbs in it written down – most language books have it.] so once you have learnt the present, past and future endings in all 3 persons you will have a basic framework for how to speak [and they wont mind if you dont get it right all the time as long as you are making an effort.]
I think there is a spanish radio service you can pick up on the radio in England and you should try and find it and listen to it even if you dont understand what they are saying as it will allow you to get used to the sounds being made.
tangent ends 🙂
hahaha thankyou for that tangent raj i enjoyed it! im not particularly good at picking up languages, but i’m going to try my hardest with spanish first, i think its so ignorant to go over there and not to be able to communicate, plus im looking forward to meeting some amazing people, which just isnt going to happen if i cant hold any kind of conversation with them…
was wondering, whats the best way for us to get over to south america, plane prices are riduclously expensive, time isnt an issue with me and my friend as we dont have careers that we’re commited to, but we’d like to keep costs as low as possible so we can stay out there for as much time as we can… someone mentioned something called couriering to me, which can be done for cheaper flights
also we have no idea how long we are gonna travel for, we just want to stay out there until we run out of money, do you think this is a bad idea for being able to get back home and would it be better to have a date and a ticket back, or is it easy enough to find a way home if needs be?
Its planes [or maybe boats – dont know about the prices] and a ticket with an open return is a good option as if you run out of cash you can still get home.
ahhh excelent, i dont really know much about travel so I didnt realise you could get open returns, I think we’ll just have to shop round for a really good deal.
do you know if i need to worry about visa’s or anything to get into the country, like you get with new zealand – we’re looking to be out there for around 6 months if its possible with the money we save
For visas ask the embassies of the countries you want to visit….Dont know much about the need for visas in south america these days
if you book to fly to a latin american on a friday before a antional holiday, the flight is likely to be over-booked
I got £300 cash and a night in a 4 star hotel to fly a day later :weee:
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