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    :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_g: :bounce_fl just thought would join in

    I’m quite in favour of the smoking ban in pubs, not so sure its gonna be much fun in clubs, especially if they start stinking of everyone’s farts :/

    Its not really about telling people what they can and can’t do to themselves but about preventing people from harming other people. I don’t consider myself a puritan/killjoy btw 🙂 and think posession of drugs should be decriminalised.

    I’m just finishing writing my dissertation on this topic if anyone’s interested in reading it when its finished pm me.

    my worries are not so much the ban itself but what is known as “function creep” – a phenomenon originally from technology/engineering sciences that carries through to wider society… where a system used for one purpose gets used for others.

    if a ban is put in place, it needs to be enforced.

    That means that various people in authority will need to patrol venues to look for smokers; and expect non-smokers to call up anonymous hotlines to report the breaking of this ban.

    the Police may not have the resources to do this; so the job will probably go to uniformed and maybe even covert Council enforcement officers; the same ones who deal with licensing, environmental health etc, although cops will be on standby in case things get nasty (it is after all denying an addict their drug)

    so a check for smokers could end up with people in authority also noticing “the music is a bit loud here” / “they have been playing an extra two tunes after shut down time” / “people are also using “going off for a cig” to obtain and deal drugs (this IMO could be the biggest threat to the club scene)

    voila; yet more restrictions on the late night party scene…

    my boss is pretty worried about this. we dont really have any decent outdoor area unlike a couple of similar venues in town. I dont give a monkeys though im off travelling again in march!:bounce_fl :bounce_g: :bounce_fl :bounce_g: :bounce_fl :bounce_g:

    Try and stop me where or when i want a ciggy.

    I dont think so… that aint happening…

    its working in scotland – the new complaint is about discarded butts outside :crazy:

    its very strange to go to clubs and not have people smoke around you

    France to impose smoking ban from next year

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    PARIS (Reuters) – France said on Sunday it will ban smoking in most public places from next February and in bars, restaurants, hotels and night clubs 11 months later.
    “We have decided to ban smoking in public places from February 1, 2007,” Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin told RTL radio and LCI television.
    The familiar “bar-tabacs,” special bars that sell tobacco, night clubs and other such places would have until January 1, 2008 at the latest to comply with the rules, he said.

    Public places include stations, museums, government offices and shops but the ban will not extend to the streets or private places such as houses or hotel rooms.
    Villepin said the state would provide for one-third of the costs of anti-smoking treatments, such as patches.
    “That would represent the first month of treatment,” he said.
    In a report presented on Wednesday, several parliamentarians called for a total ban from September 1, 2007 at the latest, without exception. But a smoking ban will cause problems for the many tobacco shops in France.
    Villepin declined to comment on the impact it would have on government tax revenues, saying public health considerations outweighed any such fiscal impact.
    In the report, the parliamentarians said each year between 2,500 and 5,800 people died of the consequences of passive smoking, inhaling the smoke of smokers.
    Around a quarter of the adult population smokes in France and some 66,000 smokers die each year.
    Polls regularly show that a majority of French people support a ban on smoking in public places.
    Weakened by a battle with trade unions and students over a controversial youth jobs contract, the government backed away in April from a ban on smoking in bars and restaurants to avoid a clash with France’s many smokers and tobacconists.

    Ireland imposed the world’s first nationwide public smoking ban in 2004. Italy, Sweden, Scotland, Norway and Spain have followed suit to varying degrees.
    Belgium, Britain, Northern Ireland and Portugal are expected to put new tighter rules in place next year.

    http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-10-08T183502Z_01_L08148626_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-FRANCE-SMOKING-DC.XML

    Check this link out for a ‘smoking bus’ suggestion for one of the Dublin pubs when they first brought their ban in

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3593135.stm

    Raj wrote:
    France to impose smoking ban from next year

    Sun Oct 8, 2006 7:37 PM
    PARIS (Reuters) – France said on Sunday it will ban smoking in most public places from next February and in bars, restaurants, hotels and night clubs 11 months later

    the wierd thing with this is that there is already leislation which means that bars, clubs ands retaurants must have a designated smoking area, with at least 50% of the premesis non-smoking

    the day the law came in, loads of no-smoking signs went up, but no-one has ever paid any attention to it

    a bit like traffic violations

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4719654.stm

    Smoke ban ‘threatens environment’

    :weee::weee::weee::weee::weee:

    Interesting read –

    ‘gas emissions are up by 380,000 tonnes a year due to patio heaters.’

    and the smokers’ campaign group Forest said ‘the damage to the environment from patio heaters was “minuscule” in terms of the overall effect.’

    Bit like people who dont recycle!

    When I smoked rollies I didnt have a problem smoking outside in all weathers.

    i am a shameless anti smoker [in my house] and always boot smokers out for their ciggies no matter how inclement the weather – i sure as sh*t would not provide a patio heater for them – if they need to smoke that badly they bring their coats round too

    i dont let people smoke in my house because i dont smoke myself and i cant stand the smell of stale ciggarettes in my house – its pain in the rear end to air out of the rooms and makes me retch to boot [and i am also an asthmatic :hopeless:]

    i am blown away by the fact that anyone would provide patio heaters – what a spectacular waste of money that is :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy

    Raj wrote:
    i am a shameless anti smoker [in my house] and always boot smokers out for their ciggies no matter how inclement the weather – i sure as sh*t would not provide a patio heater for them – if they need to smoke that badly they bring their coats round too

    i dont let people smoke in my house because i dont smoke myself and i cant stand the smell of stale ciggarettes in my house – its pain in the rear end to air out of the rooms and makes me retch to boot [and i am also an asthmatic :hopeless:]

    i am blown away by the fact that anyone would provide patio heaters – what a spectacular waste of money that is :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy

    keeps you warm though

    at my gaf it’s a case of get in the shed if it’s raining

    good thing about my shed is that is has a barrel of home brew cider in it

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