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  • i use AVG free edition – check earlier parts of this thread :groucho: for the link 😉

    oh and if you are going to change be sure and follow the instructions in the readme file in your Norton folder to uninstall the norton AV before you install the new one or your computer will swear at you forever :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

    raj wrote:
    oh and if you are going to change be sure and follow the instructions in the readme file in your Norton folder to uninstall the norton AV before you install the new one or your computer will swear at you forever :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

    :laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:I Remember that well!

    :lol_fast: cool cheers i’ve wrote the stuff down,i know if i do it now thers a strong posabality it would go horribaly wrong so i’ll leave it untill tomorow 💡

    raj wrote:
    motherboard could go as the result of a power surge [do you have a power surge protection plug board for it?] or it could have been the power supply that went and took the motherboard with it [hard to tell without taking it to bits and testing it myself :wink:] but it does happen and as long as all the bits are checked before reassembly it should be fine now [ie. if it is behaving itself now dont fret:groucho: ]

    Funny you should mention a power surge because the night it packed up my bedside lamp(the touch type) kept going brighter without me touching the damn thing.
    Jeez I knew all along I should have taken the ‘signalling and telecomunications’ career path with British Rail instead of some boring job at a bank:hopeless: . Didn’t think I’d get my physics O’Level at the time of the job offer (which was needed). Yup bloody sods law, I ended up passing it. Too late was the cry!!:weee:

    thats usually the cause AS:wink:

    you can buy surge protectors for about 15 pounds in good electrical retailers which are sacrificial [they will blow before the surge gets to your PC] and if you do get one make sure it is one with a light that tells you when it is blown

    :groucho: :groucho: :groucho:

    99% will be selling my computer but that info will sure help in the future raj. Cheers matey.:wink:


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      Raj,

      For the first time today have i heard the set that you and NoName

      played for my birthday..

      I love it..Thank you guys :love: :love: :love:

      allright bit stuck again :you_crazy i just braught a graphics card for my computer which im going to attempt to install,i’ve read all the manuals etc..the only thing i’m a bit worried about is they keep saying to use an anti-static ristband and a foam matt(which i dont seem to have!)because the static can ruin it.I was just wondering if 1:their over doing it to cover themselves just incase and the risk isnt that bad or 2:the next best thing to foam i could use that i might have laying about(sponges maybe?).Cheers!

      hmm that was easier than i thought :pee:

      antistatic wristband for the cheap skate – get a length of electric flex, strip one end bare for 10 cm and wrap round you wrist 😉 attach other end of length to something you know has an earth point [bare metal on radiators, kitchen taps, etc

      or just touch the baremetal item of your choice [make sure it is earthed] before handling the sensitive bit of equipment in question 😉

      [ you do this to discharge the static electric field that most people have to some degree, as computer parts can be fried by even a small electric discharge to them :groucho:]

      :lol_teeth cheers mate,i managed to improvise with sponges,gaffa tape and radiator :coin:(cheapskate!!i know nothing!) worked first time :ty_ty:

      glad to hear it mate and now you know what to do next time you need one :groucho:

      antistatic mat is anything that doesnt conduct electricity [ paper will do at a tight pinch; rubber mat is ideal :groucho:]

      Agent Subby wrote:
      My computer packed up last week. Just no power from the CPU. Anyway after several ‘troubleshooting’ exercises whilst on the phone to the Dell technician she told me it was the ‘mother board’ that was the problem. Anyway it’s been returned within 4 days in full working order. But I was just wondering as my PC is only 5 months old, why would something like a ‘mother board’ just pack up? Is it me tweaking too much or a common problem?? Jeez I was just about to sell the whole package (including printer, wireless router and 2 dongles) for £150 as well. Can’t be that bad a problem though because the potential buyer is still pestering me for the sale.

      Usually mobo’s go due to the power regulation capacitors (the ones around the CPU socket) burning out – or in some cases plain melting (literally – was a common prob a couple of years ago, due to a company copying (badly cos the design snaffled was in pre release testing and tweaking) another co’s design). Many companies save on production costs by getting cheap components here…

      If your PC just packed up (ie totally dead when button pressed), it could also have been the standby/power on/power good signal rail that the PC uses to do all that soft powering up and power saving ATX stuff.

      First place I’d look in that scenario though (intrigued to hear Dell support didn’t) would be the actual PSU – again a place costs are cut (a false saving in my experience), and far more likely to fail due to heat etc…

      If you “tweak” though, you can goose it unless you know what you’re doing (overclocking is a favourite for this, as the correct balance of power-driving speed-heat dissipation is a tricky one for the inexperienced…:weee::weee::weee:. Watchword here is do your research thoroughly before trying it, and expect it to cost you – then when it doesn’t cos you got it right, it will be a nice surprise instead of the alternative…:crazy_dru:crazy_dru:crazy_dru)

      chillidog wrote:
      allright bit stuck again :you_crazy i just braught a graphics card for my computer which im going to attempt to install,i’ve read all the manuals etc..the only thing i’m a bit worried about is they keep saying to use an anti-static ristband and a foam matt(which i dont seem to have!)because the static can ruin it.I was just wondering if 1:their over doing it to cover themselves just incase and the risk isnt that bad or 2:the next best thing to foam i could use that i might have laying about(sponges maybe?).Cheers!

      OK – “anti static wristband” is a cool way to get you to pay for a piece of equipment you don’t need. All it is, is a cable linking you to an earth point, so any static charge build up – like you get when you are wearing woolen socks, and have a viscose carpet then zap a mate, or when you rub a balloon on your hair and stick balloon to wall – can drain away to ground…

      The way to deal with this without being conned for equipment (this is for UK users BTW, and other countries (spain etc) that use common earth in domestic supplies – ie 3 pin plugs) is to leave the case plugged into the wall socket while working, but TURN THE SWITCH TO THE OFF POSITION. The common earth is thus still connected (the switch only uncouples the live from negative – earth is left intact). Then any time you touch an unpainted metal part of the case, you will earth any residual static…:weee::weee::weee:

      For people in other countries, where an earth system isn’t used (2 pin plug system with no earth collar) – you can touch a copper radiator pipe, or tap regularly (these are also earthed due to rushing water creating static charge).

      The only people that need a static wristband are the ones who habitually have light bulbs explode on them, or cause random disturbances in their PC’s karma just by being angry at it – I live with one of these, and it can get expensive on light bulbs – our solution is that I do hardware – she does software for the most part (she can blow expensive silicon wafers just by giving them a funny look too :crazy_dru:crazy_dru, and till systems in shops fail regularly when she goes near. I put it down to Quantum – the scientists method of saying “haven’t a clue, but at least I’ve named it:wink:” without looking silly…:weee::weee::weee: )

      But to get back to the point – the risk of static discharge ruining silicon is real enough – you can build up a charge of several thousand volts in the wrong circumstances. With logic gates being so small that they had to use lower frequency light in the etching lasers to make them, cos the visible light spectrum was too broad (we’re talking Picometers(one trillionth of a meter) here, a potential that size just blows them apart…

      As for foam mats – the theory here is non-conductive material (rubber is good too. Plastic is also generally good.) Anything to stop any charge making it to a ground (and therefore draining through the equipment to the ground in one big zap, unleashing all of it’s current (usually only microamps), but with a huge potential (ie the voltage) which can be anything up to about 20KV (this is the bit responsible for the blue spark when you zap your mate:weee::weee::laugh_at::laugh_at:))

      This has degenerated into a bit of a waffle, so I shall stop here (sorry – I get carried away:hopeless::weee::hopeless:)… If you want more info, or clarification on any of it, let me know. Also any help on the nuts & bolts of PC building – always happy to wax lyrical (ahem), and I’ve probably made most of the mistakes by now – should be able to help others not make them….:weee::weee::weee:. Hope this helps tho’…raaaraaaraaa.

      Raj,Noname cheers for all the help much appreciated :horay: raaa

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