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  • don’t like reading articles like that.

    funny how he doesn’t mention about the people who were killed by the police.

    U r so true mister General !!!

    I only saw this declaration as a populism appeal to boycot teknival. I didn’t see the further aspect (about preparing a field to introduce a law against tekno criminalz.. huhu..)

    Because it really sounds like a right wing extremists’ sentences… I love the part about “strangers coming to our coutnry with their big trucks threating the freedom of property”… it sounds like our French extreme right wing motherf#*&#* M. LE PEN…. FUCK THE DEMAGOGS !!!!

    Thx thx thx and thx again for this analysis of the Prime minister’s speech.

    Have you heard that the guy is in place since 100 days and everything was fine for him since his party (left wing, social democrat) got a majority.
    And what’s saddly funny is that the opposition (right wing) is now trying to use this event against social democrats, and denonciates the police repression (forgetting that last year’s repression was due to them).

    (if u see no problem, I’ll translate your analysis and post it to French forums)

    PsykeG wrote:
    U r so true mister General !!!

    I only saw this declaration as a populism appeal to boycot teknival. I didn’t see the further aspect (about preparing a field to introduce a law against tekno criminalz.. huhu..)

    Because it really sounds like a right wing extremists’ sentences… I love the part about “strangers coming to our coutnry with their big trucks threating the freedom of property”… it sounds like our French extreme right wing motherf#*&#* M. LE PEN…. FUCK THE DEMAGOGS !!!!

    Thx thx thx and thx again for this analysis of the Prime minister’s speech.

    Have you heard that the guy is in place since 100 days and everything was fine for him since his party (left wing, social democrat) got a majority.
    And what’s saddly funny is that the opposition (right wing) is now trying to use this event against social democrats, and denonciates the police repression (forgetting that last year’s repression was due to them).

    (if u see no problem, I’ll translate your analysis and post it to French forums)

    no problem – go ahead and put it on the French forum

    one thing to remember though is that left and right wings of politics are the other way round in former communist countries!

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.
    General Lighting wrote:
    no problem – go ahead and put it on the French forum

    one thing to remember though is that left and right wings of politics are the other way round in former communist countries!

    It’s funny (tho sad) but I’ve never seen it this way.
    Though I think it was true during the communist era and not so much now.

    Well to go on with the topic, here are some news about the so-called “people with dangerous anarchist’s thrives” suing the Cz Gov at the European court :
    http://www.praguemonitor.com/ctk/?id=20050730E01517;story=Techno-fans-to-sue-police-in-Strasbourg

    General Lighting wrote:
    As for the future, perhaps we should all look to the East….

    in Goa, India, some of the rave parties there are now organised with full consent of the locals, many of whom provide stalls and help with safety infrastructure such as water and sanitation.

    in Thailand, a German party crew which was in Thailand helped re-build the area after the tsunami disaster gained so much support their events are fully licensed and supported by the local council and even the Royal Family!

    Both these countries had the traditional Asian anti-drugs ethos and were initially hostile to rave events. But by a process of legitimate negotiation with local people and authorities [not corruption and bribery to override the law of the land], a situation has been reached where all concerned can hold their events without problems. This is a situation we could all strive to attain in Europe…

    I agree with GL. Trying to find some kind of harmony with the environment and the locals that sometimes have to endure days of disruption and inconvenience is key to the survival (not to mention the ethos and spirit) of the rave scene.

    but I’m not sure that i agree with general lighting about the East as a model. I first went to Goa in 1998 (late by many standards) but was bowled away by parties on the beach, in bamboo forests, and the general good vibe of the scene. I went back again in december and i’m not sure whether i’m just older and more cynical or whether things had changed, but this time I noticed the effect these kinds of events have on the locals. Many of them have sided with ravers (against the police and local authorities who are now involved in “legitimising” goa’s party reputation with bacardi breezer sponsored “mega” clubs) on the basis of the extra income they can garner as chai ladies, but this is not without its costs. free parties in Goa are now extremely commericialised and you can find all kinds of tourists turning up at parties knowing nothing about the ethics behind them (burying your shit, for one, when there’s no toilet). This time round i saw at least 10 people through the course of the night trying to piss on the mats that the chai ladies had set up – too fucked up and ignorant to show any kind of respect.
    the chai ladies provide an invaluable service to the ravers, and while their relationship is to a certain degree reciprocal, it is worth bearing in mind that when you travel and “colonise” someone else’s land that you treat it and them with respect.

    sorry for the rant – some things to get off my chest 🙂

    as for the Czech PM….
    “Its neccesary to await destruction of the natural enviroment and elementary hygiene, with risk of spreading AIDS, jaundice, salmonel, etc. until all places are infested with trash. There are tons and tons of such experiences in our towns.”

    propaganda like this connecting a group of people with disease and infestation (notice how he links AIDS and dirt) is sadly reminiscent of other prejudiced outcries against travellers and gypsies – seems that the alternative, the unknown, will always provoke this kind of hysterical response from the authorities. in a word – fear.

    i think its so important to show support, and strength, for what just happened in Czechtek. brutality and discrimination should not be tolerated, and we should all make our voices heard 🙂

    vicky wrote:
    I went back again in december and i’m not sure whether i’m just older and more cynical or whether things had changed, but this time I noticed the effect these kinds of events have on the locals. Many of them have sided with ravers (against the police and local authorities who are now involved in “legitimising” goa’s party reputation with bacardi breezer sponsored “mega” clubs) on the basis of the extra income they can garner as chai ladies, but this is not without its costs. free parties in Goa are now extremely commericialised and you can find all kinds of tourists turning up at parties knowing nothing about the ethics behind them (burying your shit, for one, when there’s no toilet). This time round i saw at least 10 people through the course of the night trying to piss on the mats that the chai ladies had set up – too fucked up and ignorant to show any kind of respect.
    the chai ladies provide an invaluable service to the ravers, and while their relationship is to a certain degree reciprocal, it is worth bearing in mind that when you travel and “colonise” someone else’s land that you treat it and them with respect.

    I think the “neocolonialisation” problem has always been there with raves in Asia right from the start (there was the danger of a CZ-style backlash at one point, as the Governments there alleged the Western ravers were fuelling local crime and corruption). Its a problem with lots of Western tourism to the East, not just raves.

    I’m not sure if you’ve ever read my earlier posts on SE Asian raves from about 3 or 4 years ago on here or uk.music.rave but I have been extremely critical about some aspects of this for the exact reasons you mention ( my family come from SE Asia ). Random_Raver (whose family are from Thailand) also mentioned even worse stuff about how people go to TH and totally disrespect the people and environment..

    I also raised this issue on psy-forum and came across a resounding wall of silence (its a good forum but there does seem to be an “ostrich mentality” when it comes to discussing the harsher issues) but one heartening thing I heard was that the local population were getting more involved.

    What is going on in India is far from ideal but, still better than what is going on in Great Britain or Europe where locals are just so angry they support the cops when they go in heavy (or are the driver for them doing so) – I don’t think the Czech PM is alone in being anti-rave, and there has clearly been a simmering resentment against this event for things to have got so far in that country.

    But that respect for your surroundings and the locals should and must be an integral part of raving wherever you are in the world – that is the only way we can justify using this space (particularly when it ostensibly belongs to other) for our enjoyment..

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    as for Czech certainly we must all make our voices heard and make it clear to the authorities in all EU countries that the actions of the Police there are unacceptable…

    OTOH I think we need to look at the big picture (which is unfortunately hard for me to do as I do not understand the language and cannot read all the news sources)

    there are unanswered questions here which perhaps our Czech users can help with

    I’ve seen claims that the locals in CZ were OK with the festival, but is this always the case?

    I can’t believe the PM thought of doing this on his own – how many others amongst the “new middle classes” of have alleged that CZ that the Czechtek was causing “social problems without adding value to the local economy” and had to be stopped (a similar backlash to that which led to the CJA being introduced in Great Britain?)

    None of this ever excuses the violence or the ridiculous claims of the Czech PM about “AIDS, salmonella and other plagues” (the worst that happens really is that some people get unwell but only festival goers who did not take care of sanitation, not the locals) but it may be a case of trying to gain “hearts and minds” so people in CZ can accept this festival again – which may also mean being more mindful of issues like traffic, sanitation etc…

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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