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  • @Digital Buddha 986433 wrote:

    The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year – The Verge

    I know they’re trying to fix the problem but this will possibly just push people off of pills and into heroin as commonly happens.

    LMFAO, haven’t read it yet but am already laughing. Is this like the massive drop in opium production they promised in Afghanistan and every other opium growing region on the fucking planet?

    @Digital Buddha 986433 wrote:

    The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year – The Verge

    I know they’re trying to fix the problem but this will possibly just push people off of pills and into heroin as commonly happens.

    Sorry, misread the title as opium production. My god you’re absolutyely right with your assessment though. The FDA KNEW AND DOCUMENTED that heroin was gonna become an epidemic when they fucked with doctors and their prescribing habits regarding opioids.

    @tryptameanie 986442 wrote:

    Sorry, misread the title as opium production. My god you’re absolutyely right with your assessment though. The FDA KNEW AND DOCUMENTED that heroin was gonna become an epidemic when they fucked with doctors and their prescribing habits regarding opioids.

    FDA & DEA are in a dick measuring contest.

    @Digital Buddha 986443 wrote:

    FDA & DEA are in a dick measuring contest.

    How the fuck do they both have the smallest then?


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    @Digital Buddha 986433 wrote:

    The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year – The Verge

    I know they’re trying to fix the problem but this will possibly just push people off of pills and into heroin as commonly happens.

    it’s difficult for me to understand how the overdose rates is geting higher . Here the prices are so low now because the sellers have given the prices more and more cheaper for being the one who gonna sell, that now they have no other choice than beginning to improve the quality.
    BUT EVEN WITH A QUALITY GETTING BETTER , THE DEATH BY OVERDOSE IS NOT GOING UP

    Experts are saying that the swiss drug policy is the best :
    Swiss drug policy should serve as model: experts | Reuters

    Sure they wana make tramadol 50mg a class a
    What the fuck will I do with mine then

    Come on from time to time stoned. Love mj and psychedelics.

    @iliesse 986478 wrote:

    it’s difficult for me to understand how the overdose rates is geting higher . Here the prices are so low now because the sellers have given the prices more and more cheaper for being the one who gonna sell, that now they have no other choice than beginning to improve the quality.
    BUT EVEN WITH A QUALITY GETTING BETTER , THE DEATH BY OVERDOSE IS NOT GOING UP

    Experts are saying that the swiss drug policy is the best :
    Swiss drug policy should serve as model: experts | Reuters

    I think with overdose rates they maybe take the number of users and divide by the number of overdose deaths to give the figure. I don’t know that and even if I was ribht I can think of a ton of reasons just in my head with that figure though.

    I think what is happening in USA is the opiate users are taking a large variety of diverted pharms.

    Many believe that because these are in “medicine” type packaging rather than bags of white/brown powder these are safer – but there are lots of different designs of pills with varying strengths. As well as these there are fake pills that contain fentanyl, which is extremely strong creating an environment where gross overdoses are invevitable.

    The lack of joined up health and welfare services (even compared to UK and ours are far from the best in Europe) and healthcare being more privatised leads to doctors over prescribing even when not intended maliciously simply to keep patients in work and/or able to pay their medicare premiums/treatment bills.

    The ones I am reading about (I am being sent these articles via Christian/Catholic websites which would not be classed as “socially liberal” but at the same time as surprisingly non judgmental by the standards of American media) are not about “street junkies” but working class people who are still driving, raising families, doing manual work etc.

    In other countries a society where people were being overworked to such extent they needed strong opiates to mask the symptoms of what often starts as legitimate pain conditions yet were not admitted to long term treatment centres (which is what happens more often in Europe) would be seen as highly dysfunctional.

    At work fentanyl is very rarely used (as with patients who are seniors there is a very low margin of error) and there are warnings in every treatment room about it. I don’t think it is ever given to younger, mobile patients for self-administration here (or anywhere in Europe) as that is just asking for trouble.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @tryptameanie 986444 wrote:

    How the fuck do they both have the smallest then?

    I guess it is what Americans mean by “small government”….

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 986498 wrote:

    I think what is happening in USA is the opiate users are taking a large variety of diverted pharms.

    Many believe that because these are in “medicine” type packaging rather than bags of white/brown powder these are safer – but there are lots of different designs of pills with varying strengths. As well as these there are fake pills that contain fentanyl, which is extremely strong creating an environment where gross overdoses are invevitable.

    The lack of joined up health and welfare services (even compared to UK and ours are far from the best in Europe) and healthcare being more privatised leads to doctors over prescribing even when not intended maliciously simply to keep patients in work and/or able to pay their medicare premiums/treatment bills.

    The ones I am reading about (I am being sent these articles via Christian/Catholic websites which would not be classed as “socially liberal” but at the same time as surprisingly non judgmental by the standards of American media) are not about “street junkies” but working class people who are still driving, raising families, doing manual work etc.

    In other countries a society where people were being overworked to such extent they needed strong opiates to mask the symptoms of what often starts as legitimate pain conditions yet were not admitted to long term treatment centres (which is what happens more often in Europe) would be seen as highly dysfunctional.

    At work fentanyl is very rarely used (as with patients who are seniors there is a very low margin of error) and there are warnings in every treatment room about it. I don’t think it is ever given to younger, mobile patients for self-administration here (or anywhere in Europe) as that is just asking for trouble.

    Over prescription of Oxycontin has been the worst and is essentially the cause of most of the people jumping from pills to heroin, because they said it was 2 a day when you need 3 or 4 a day, so that was a recipe for disaster. Fentanyl is mostly only made in patches or lollipops in the pharmaceutical market so it is harder to abuse. Problem is they cut down on opiate prescriptions and dope is dirt cheap right now so kids can jump into it who never really abused pills and pillheads who are finding them harder to come by also are either abusing both or have made the switch.

    As far as the fake pills, it is pretty easy to get a relatively quality pill press for a reasonable price and then counterfeit whatever you want; the pills don’t look 100% like they’re supposed to, but they’re close enough that people don’t really question it unless they’re taught to. If you have a ‘real’ pill and a counterfeit pill side by side its pretty easy to see which is which. Some pharmaceutical pills have designs that are laughably easy to counterfeit, others are much more difficult. Also the generics are easier to counterfeit as well.

    Someone near me was counterfeiting Xanax and got caught, but at least he was actually making fake Xanax pills by making alprazolam powder from legal precursors and then pressing the pills to look close to Xanax… He was a pharmacy student seeking an advanced degree if that tells you the knowledge typically required to pull off that kind of thing.. As far as counterfeiting pills and using a different substance, that is the lowest of the low, if you think you’re getting 5mg of Vicodin and you’re getting Fentanyl instead, well thats just fucked and very dangerous.

    Edit: with the proper equipment, like a really quality press you can make great counterfeit pills, but you’d have to be operating on a huge scale to make the sunk cost of a pill press worth it.

    @Digital Buddha 986504 wrote:

    Over prescription of Oxycontin has been the worst and is essentially the cause of most of the people jumping from pills to heroin, because they said it was 2 a day when you need 3 or 4 a day, so that was a recipe for disaster. Fentanyl is mostly only made in patches or lollipops in the pharmaceutical market so it is harder to abuse. Problem is they cut down on opiate prescriptions and dope is dirt cheap right now so kids can jump into it who never really abused pills and pillheads who are finding them harder to come by also are either abusing both or have made the switch.

    As far as the fake pills, it is pretty easy to get a relatively quality pill press for a reasonable price and then counterfeit whatever you want; the pills don’t look 100% like they’re supposed to, but they’re close enough that people don’t really question it unless they’re taught to. If you have a ‘real’ pill and a counterfeit pill side by side its pretty easy to see which is which. Some pharmaceutical pills have designs that are laughably easy to counterfeit, others are much more difficult. Also the generics are easier to counterfeit as well.

    Someone near me was counterfeiting Xanax and got caught, but at least he was actually making fake Xanax pills by making alprazolam powder from legal precursors and then pressing the pills to look close to Xanax… He was a pharmacy student seeking an advanced degree if that tells you the knowledge typically required to pull off that kind of thing.. As far as counterfeiting pills and using a different substance, that is the lowest of the low, if you think you’re getting 5mg of Vicodin and you’re getting Fentanyl instead, well thats just fucked and very dangerous.

    Edit: with the proper equipment, like a really quality press you can make great counterfeit pills, but you’d have to be operating on a huge scale to make the sunk cost of a pill press worth it.

    As far as fake pills, I was told just a few days ago by a benzo freak about a chap, I think in China, pressing xanax bars with doses to the buyers request, doing up to 4mg bars and I think medical doses of alprazolam are max 2mg but……, sofake opiates and opioids mustbe just as easy to get. Also there are a ton of fentanyl analogues with many still not banned in most of the world.

    @tryptameanie 986507 wrote:

    As far as fake pills, I was told just a few days ago by a benzo freak about a chap, I think in China, pressing xanax bars with doses to the buyers request, doing up to 4mg bars and I think medical doses of alprazolam are max 2mg but……, sofake opiates and opioids mustbe just as easy to get. Also there are a ton of fentanyl analogues with many still not banned in most of the world.

    China is and presumably always will be a big source of fake pills, but for whatever reason some folks do it within the borders of wherever the pills are being sold as well.

    @Digital Buddha 986514 wrote:

    China is and presumably always will be a big source of fake pills, but for whatever reason some folks do it within the borders of wherever the pills are being sold as well.

    Oh absolutely, pill presses aren’t that hard tpo come by. The hard part is mixing the active compound with the fillers and getting an even distribution. This is the step that costs the big money. I know when I looked into have some pellets pressed that it only became profitable when getting a minimum of 500,000 pellets pressed (4p/pellet produced) and that cost is mainly paying for the mixing rather than the pressing.

    @Digital Buddha 986514 wrote:

    China is and presumably always will be a big source of fake pills, but for whatever reason some folks do it within the borders of wherever the pills are being sold as well.

    That’s just because they can get them cheaper, I met a fella who sold pills (thru an old old family friend) anyway the one nite I did meet him he had his stash in his car,,,,freezer food bags filled with lose pills, all different types from what I could see none had names on them, its was literally just lose pills in a bag, (didn’t no him well so didn’t want to question) the next morning was the last time we seen him
    He made a mint but can tell you now I’d never buy off him, if ur goin to buy them pills buy them in strips that way you know what your getting
    I even fuckin hate when the chemist opens all the lose ones and sticks them in a brown bottle

    Come on from time to time stoned. Love mj and psychedelics.

    Apparently they’re fake Xanax going around that have Fentanyl

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