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  • so BK-MDMA is C11H13NO3 and MDMA is C11H15NO2

    that doesn’t compute for me how they both get MDMA in the name but whatever, someone phone up Shulgin and get an explanation. I’m sure with some time and reading I’d know why that works out but whatever

    Shulgin 1st synthed bk-MDMA, it’s under the MDMA entry in PIHKAL and he was the on ethat named it methylone or M1. It’s the beta-ketone of MDMA and surprisingly I find it quite close to MDMA albeit weaker by around 40-60%. It has the xsame aspects just not the intensity of very good MDMA.

    Never done it, 40-60% strength would be a huge difference though, like you’d need double the amount to get the *same* reaction. I’m sure its much more available in some parts right now, seems like a reasonably attractive alternative or something for nobs to sell to noobs.

    Yeah if you knew what proper MDMA was like and you got methylone you’d know very soon. Methylne in crystal form is generally white, as is the powder, but most MDMA crystal I’ve encountered has been pretty off white to say the least and getting into brfown/purple although some very brown crystal was very shit.

    As far as availability, it can be bought legally from some european vendors (whether the laws are the same in the cuntry you are importing to is very different, for instance, anyone in trhe UK importing it would be in big trouble) and tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if this was becoming more attractive option to some as more and more MDMA seems to be actually pMA/PMMA thanks to prohibition. I know if I didn’t have very trusted sources if I ever did that sort of thing again I’d be very wary of anything offered to me. I’m lucky enough to be able to have things reagent tested at the least and GC/MS tested if needed but when I was younger that wasn’t available and no doubt the vast majority of people hyounger than me, as well as thye vast majority of users older than me, have no idea about the facilities and on top of that don’t have the friends with reagents or knowledge of a lab that will test chems if they did (WEDINOS are actually becoming a pointless waste of time imo as the vast majority of samples are not screened with no reason given beyond some problem with the form that accompanies each sample.

    4 outnof 5 samles I’ve sent have been rejected yet every form was filled in the same way, the only difference being the compound sent for analysis and many other have reported sending multiple samples for analysis only to have some analyzed and some ejected even though the paperwork was almost certainly good but the samples rejected because the paperwork was bad. It’s a very very sad situation for me as I feel we are very fortunate to have this facility and yet this facility is not fulfilling what it set out to achieve for the public and any stats they hoped to gain from what they analyze must surely be questionable if they are testing only a minimal amount of compounds sent to them with no apparent bias for any geographical location (WEDINOS is based in Wales and could probably, rightly reject samples from any other part of the UK).

    the branding bk-MDMA wasn’t commonly used in Eastern UK even when methylone was not a controlled substance although around 2009 there was some “MDMA” that was clearly a mixture of real MDMA and some cathinones; even the dealers said it wasn’t that good, and one even said he was ashamed to be selling it but that was all anyone could get at the time.

    Just had a look at WEDINOS myself and they do seem to be rejecting a lot of recent submissions with little reason given although there is a bit in the corner saying their main computer system is being updated.

    one thing I’ve noticed is where postcodes are present and/or especially hard drugs found there is a pattern in the areas they come from.

    with NPS there is a slight correlation between whole untouched packages being sent in and raids by cops/heddlu/trading standards on headshops. With other drugs there seems to be a spate of small packages all sent from the same postcode area.

    Often these are part-consumed bags/wraps of hard drugs; but I know of very few hard drugs users who would suddenly be struck by such angst halfway through a dose they would decide to fill in a written form and post it to Wales – I suspect these have been seized from folk unfortunate enough to get arrested for unrelated matters and sent to WEDINOS by the Police.

    that does make me wonder if they have been (perhaps unwillingly) forced to create a “fast track” route for the authorities; especially as similar labs in England have been closed due to govt austerity.

    It would also be illegal for anyone else to test the drugs as a “hobby project” as it would to posess them anyway which is why you usually wouldn’t even be able to try and talk brainy friends at University into helping out with this. Alas; they risk being nicked, expelled from their course and possibly deported after their sentencing if they are not British.

    Excellent post GL. No idea what’s going on with WEDINOS but your findings are very interesting. We can now proudly say we have a facility doing work for the publics good/health instead being used to save money on forensics for lazy shit police forces and do absolutely noooooooooooooo testing whatsoever. Quite frankly it’s a fucking joke and instead of pissing away money on stamps and envelopes maybe consider buying a lottery ticket so you could move to a less shitty planet if you won…….

    to be fair even the cops and NHS in England + Defra don’t like this situation either especially with WW III slowly kicking off – forensic labs are vital for testing suspect IED chemicals and environmental pollutants too, (this last one being a vital job even in peacetime; it seems the idiots in power at London have forgotten the North Sea exists).

    I was trying to find a Defra paper about tracking Greylag Geese with radio collars yesterday and even that has been removed from the govt servers due to austerity or because its a “non essential EU project” (the health of geese is affected by any heavy metals found in the waterways)

    God save the geese. and if he could possibly do something about the royal family still being a thing and not being turned out of their stately homes and asked to pay taxes that would be cool.

    @iliesse 576545 wrote:

    could some body explain the meaining of this “bk” in a more chemistry meaning, what does it really change to the molecule (sorry , am french speaking normally and hope my question is clearly formulated)

    je ne suis pas très fort à la chimie; mais je viens de trouver ces infos sur FR Wikipedia

    Chimiquement, il s’agit d’une cétone. On parle parfois de bêta-kéto-amphétamine, pour préciser qu’elle possède la structure générale d’une amphétamine, avec une fonction cétone sur le carbone en bêta par rapport à l’atome d’azote.

    Elle correspond à la version béta-cétonique de la MDMA (ecstasy), c’est pourquoi on l’appelle parfois βk-MDMA.

    On peut aussi la nommer en considérant le squelette de la méthcathinone (bêta-kéto-méthamphétamine) en précisant la présence du pont méthylènedioxy en préfixe, d’où la dénomination de Méthylène-Dioxy-MéthCathinone (MDMC).

    Dans l’est de l’Angleterre l’acronyme “MDMC” est aussi souvent utilisé par les dealers qu’on trouve dans les teufs pour cette drogue NPS. Elle est aussi interdite depuis 2010.

    EN : In East England the acronym MDMC is also often used by dealers you find at unlicensed raves for this NPS drug. it is also controlled since 2010.

    Ah, do I take it MDMC is an alternative name for the beta-ketone?. Yeah the beta;ketone is the cathinone version of MDMA. Seeing a few modifications switching into different clases of compounds, 5-MeO-DIPT, the trpatamine, is now available as the benzofuran derivative as 5-MeO-DiBF. Seems to have worked OK-ish, for some people but until I get my hands on some Ican’t say. Still waitying for a dickhead to get me my sample.


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      @tryptameanie 974314 wrote:

      Hry iliesse, How are you?

      hi Req-trypta,
      CRRRRAAAAZYYYYY, I remember that someone had posted a week ago in this thread ” Differentiate between MDMA and bk-MDMA ” and was surprised to see the date of the previous post was nearly a year ago from a Swiss guy named Iliesse…

      This afternoon, I saw the quote of G.Light in my mails and looking in the thread, I fall on ur post question some das ago” Hry iliesse, How are you? “.

      2 days ago, I would have show you : :bounce_ci cuz my wife found a job and is beginning tomorrow :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:, so gonna have more time for my affairs :tripping-out: :toxic:, and my Angel :angel: and me :good_evil we are really happy that all these bad times since my hospitalisation are ending and living a new DREAM :love:………

      BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE MORE TIME, JUST A FUCKING DREAM :head_bang ,While i was standlng up aroud midday today, my wife cried when she saw my t-shirt fully wet on the side,
      with again this fucking yellow liquid dropping out from my cicatriix which lnlcate an infektion like the third time :sad:.

      For the same last infection at this same place again, the chirurgian told me the infektion was coming under the part of the transplanted muscle they took on a place of my body and put it at the place where it is infekted.

      I REALLY UNDER THE WORD DOWN, can’t believe why???

      1 – First cicatrix infection BEFORE OP – 6 october 2015

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]154615[/ATTACH]

      2 – First cicatrix infection AFTER OP direct after narcosis awake – 8 october 2015

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]154616[/ATTACH]

      3 – 15 Days ago all seems perfect – 14 november 2015

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]154617[/ATTACH]

      4 – Second cicatrix infection began This Morning – 29 november 2015

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]154618[/ATTACH]

      Hope u have a bit time for me tomorrow Req, am gona show this in the morning to the chirurgian, but it’s exclude i stay there tomorrow, will entry tuesday.

      IF SOMEBODY HAS IDEAS FOR A TATOO TO HIDE THIS WOULD BE WELCOME

      :oh_god::scared::lol_teeth:laugh_at::cry::hopeless:raaa:sign0008:

      A large chemical molecule would cover it pretty well.

      Oh my lordy man, think I’d have screamed as well.

      @iliesse 974545 wrote:

      hi Req-trypta,
      CRRRRAAAAZYYYYY, I remember that someone had posted a week ago in this thread ” Differentiate between MDMA and bk-MDMA ” and was surprised to see the date of the previous post was nearly a year ago from a Swiss guy named Iliesse…

      This afternoon, I saw the quote of G.Light in my mails and looking in the thread, I fall on ur post question some das ago” Hry iliesse, How are you? “.

      2 days ago, I would have show you : :bounce_ci cuz my wife found a job and is beginning tomorrow :bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:, so gonna have more time for my affairs :tripping-out: :toxic:, and my Angel :angel: and me :good_evil we are really happy that all these bad times since my hospitalisation are ending and living a new DREAM :love:………

      BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE MORE TIME, JUST A FUCKING DREAM :head_bang ,While i was standlng up aroud midday today, my wife cried when she saw my t-shirt fully wet on the side,
      with again this fucking yellow liquid dropping out from my cicatriix which lnlcate an infektion like the third time :sad:.

      For the same last infection at this same place again, the chirurgian told me the infektion was coming under the part of the transplanted muscle they took on a place of my body and put it at the place where it is infekted.

      I REALLY UNDER THE WORD DOWN, can’t believe why???

      1 – First cicatrix infection BEFORE OP – 6 october 2015

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]154615[/ATTACH]

      2 – First cicatrix infection AFTER OP direct after narcosis awake – 8 october 2015

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]154616[/ATTACH]

      3 – 15 Days ago all seems perfect – 14 november 2015

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]154617[/ATTACH]

      4 – Second cicatrix infection began This Morning – 29 november 2015

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]154618[/ATTACH]

      Hope u have a bit time for me tomorrow Req, am gona show this in the morning to the chirurgian, but it’s exclude i stay there tomorrow, will entry tuesday.

      IF SOMEBODY HAS IDEAS FOR A TATOO TO HIDE THIS WOULD BE WELCOME

      :oh_god::scared::lol_teeth:laugh_at::cry::hopeless:raaa:sign0008:

      äie! Quelle horreur! Je pense à toi et espère que tu te sentiras mieux très bientôt.

      Fuck dude that looks brutal, get better soon brah! :bounce_ci

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