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  • I’m sure at least a few of those that live in the UK have heard of WEDINOS, the welsh organization that will test anything at all you send them, free of charge. I noticed a good few threads where people are/were concerned about various substances you have had but reagent testing is just not good enough in the majority of cases with many of the more modern RCs available, which makes this service a seriously and well needed one. The website is WEDINOS – Welsh Emerging Drugs & Identification of Novel Substances Project . The only requirement is that you print out a form from the website to accompany the substances you send and other than requiring a postcode, the service iis pretty close to anonymous. They will give an accurate answer to whatever the pill/powder contains but they do not give a purity for the sample, only the ingredients contained within it.

    ” pretty close to anonymous ” it is or isn’t man? Lulz

    You only have to give a postcode, no personal info, which is about as anonymous as it can be.

    I hadn’t heard of this; but even the Dutch don’t shout about their testing services any more and they stopped translating their websites to discourage other EU nations using them.

    it looks like they only want (or publish) the outward postcode (first bit); not the inward (second bit, which narrows the location down but even then could be more than one building in urban areas). The lab is also shared with the heddlu / police for checking their seizures. I was surprised they’d do the whole UK and not just Wales; but suspect the Forensic Science Service or whatever its known as today has a big base there; as most of the UK’s surveillance and forensic equipment is made in Wales (its that good the Chinese buy it from us!)

    Using this service is extremely unlikely to get you nicked (as its only proof you had a small amount; which you have technically “handed in to the correct authorities”; but it will enable the authorities to get “big data” about which packages are popular in which areas.

    I never said it had to be your own postcode.

    smells fishy to me

    If you actually look at the site it has pics and a full list of contents of the substance plus whatever postcode you supplied. There are many hundreds of samples listed there and I have never heard of anyone being arrested/questioned about samples they sent.. If your more worried about sending the chems to them than you are of taking possibly contaminated/dangerous chems then you potentially put yourself in danger and with the amount of posts I saw where people have found various pills and powders with no clue what they are is asking for trouble.

    @EPICLULZ 566184 wrote:

    smells fishy to me

    very few UK postcodes are for single buildings; when they are the building is physically large and often owned by high net worth individuals who can afford good lawyers; cops would need a particularly good reason to get a search warrant for what is often a piddlingly small amount of drugs anyway. The Royal Mail themselves warn against the practice of using a postcode without a house/building number for exact locations of places; as there are anomalies in allocations and UK geography is complex for a small country.

    What may be worrying folk is that a good proportion of the samples have been sent in by the heddlu having been seized during stop checks or house searche in Wales; but that would mean they had the evidence to do this in the first place. Otherwise the service is simply for testing quality and monitoring regional trends; it is not intended to be used directly for surveillance purposes.

    @Tryptameanie 566183 wrote:

    I never said it had to be your own postcode.

    There does appear to be some basic validation of the postcode – if its not correct the sample is tested but the results aren’t published (so the Govt wins either way).

    The form does only ask for the outward postcode; theoretically they could check that it is in the correct region if RM have correctly cancelled the stamp at the first sorting office but this isn’t always done with the official kit; often its just a handwritten cross through the stamp or its not cancelled at all (modern British stamps are made so if you pick them off to re-use for posting holes appear in them but the stamp itself can still be recovered by collectors).

    Any printed barcodes, UV dots or other stuff that appear on the envelope (they get added to all sorts of mail irrespective of content) would only decode as the Welsh destination sorting office.

    I’m equally surprised this service should randomly appear in the UK under a Conservative government; but I’ve worked in Government service previously with a lot of very intelligent Welsh folk; they are particularly resourceful and good at making the best of a bad situation.

    @General Lighting 566707 wrote:

    There does appear to be some basic validation of the postcode – if its not correct the sample is tested but the results aren’t published (so the Govt wins either way).

    The form does only ask for the outward postcode; theoretically they could check that it is in the correct region if RM have correctly cancelled the stamp at the first sorting office but this isn’t always done with the official kit; often its just a handwritten cross through the stamp or its not cancelled at all (modern British stamps are made so if you pick them off to re-use for posting holes appear in them but the stamp itself can still be recovered by collectors).

    Any printed barcodes, UV dots or other stuff that appear on the envelope (they get added to all sorts of mail irrespective of content) would only decode as the Welsh destination sorting office.

    I’m equally surprised this service should randomly appear in the UK under a Conservative government; but I’ve worked in Government service previously with a lot of very intelligent Welsh folk; they are particularly resourceful and good at making the best of a bad situation.

    Some good points. I hadn’t realised that the results wouldn’t be released if the postcode was incorrect but had seen samples not tested if other parts of the form were incomplete such as effects or what you believed the substance to be initially, but even then it doesn’t worry me, there are thousands that live in my town, and most others so singling me out would be hard.
    As for them allowing the whole of the UK to send samples, I’ve heard some government ministers bitch and whine about it with inaccurate statements of what the tests show. One said something along the lines of “testing purity for drug dealers” but no purity figures are given, only the contents (not ratios), and various other bullshit. I personally think it’s disgusting that we have a prime minister and home secretary that have both used drugs, who were not arrested, and are now in government when they continue to criminalize millions of non-violent offenders for drug possession, ruining their lives and depriving them of the right to stand for parliament if they wished. If people with minor drug convictions can’t be an MP, why the fuck should someone who SHOULD have a criminal record be allowed. BASTARDS.
    /rant

    @Tryptameanie 566711 wrote:

    If people with minor drug convictions can’t be an MP, why the fuck should someone who SHOULD have a criminal record be allowed. BASTARDS.
    /rant

    as flawed as the UK’s drugs laws may be, with regard to standing for election the current situation In Great Britain (not sure about NI as they have slightly different rules) is the only disqualification (for criminal records) is for someone who has been sentenced to prison for over a year; and the guidance implies it only applies during the sentence itself (or if they have escaped from jail!)

    That would mean that someone who got 5 years for class A dealing but was let out early on license might not be allowed to stand until after the whole sentence period has expired.

    There are numerous politicians of all parties who have minor criminal records including a fair few for for drugs possession; and other stuff like criminal damage/public order. A lot (but not all) are in the Green Party and the more left wing cliques of Labour as the older ones tended to both take drugs and get involved in protest actions (many of the younger lot don’t even know what the popular drugs are; I had to explain the history of MDMA prohibition to one of them). the Greens still support decriminalisation but the overt support of this (and harm reduction) has been removed from their website (there used to be a Drugs Group website; I think the group is still there (the policies are the same) but they didn’t want to be stereotyped,

    TBH a lot of politicians as well as even more Police Officers and Civil Servants would prefer Britain to at the very least adopt the same policies as NL and DK; many have believed that for 20-30 years or more. Britains drugs laws (especially with regard to RC/NPS) are more tolerant than those of Germany. What is holding them back is a combination of the predominantly English culture of stubbornness; and that a lot of middle class middle aged folk with teenage or young adult children migrate from the North European countries to the UK; the reason being that “taxes and controls on business are lower; and the UK is not soft on criminals like their home countries”. Many people do not notice these immigrants (or even welcome them) as they are white European, speak good English and are wealthy…

    Sorry, I’d made a mistake. I thought I was looking at a government proposal from 2013, when actually it was just a petition asking that it be considered. As far as I can tell, the only party supporting reworking the drug laws seem to be the liberals. I know there are other MPs who believe the current laws are bad but they seem to not have the conviction to say it very loudly, if at all. As for Theresa May, admitting smoking cannabis then saying “but I didn’t enjoy it” as if that makes a difference pisses me off. If I got pulled with some weed and said I didn’t enjoy it, would that get me off? Or would saying I didn’t inhale be better?

    @Tryptameanie 566729 wrote:

    Sorry, I’d made a mistake. I thought I was looking at a government proposal from 2013, when actually it was just a petition asking that it be considered. As far as I can tell, the only party supporting reworking the drug laws seem to be the liberals. I know there are other MPs who believe the current laws are bad but they seem to not have the conviction to say it very loudly, if at all. As for Theresa May, admitting smoking cannabis then saying “but I didn’t enjoy it” as if that makes a difference pisses me off. If I got pulled with some weed and said I didn’t enjoy it, would that get me off? Or would saying I didn’t inhale be better?

    The Green Party policy is here (it is the same thing from the late 1990s). The Liberal Democrats are a combination of two parties; (the original Liberal party and a short lived Social Democratic Party); current UK politics is flawed in comparison to elsewhere in Europe because it does not have proportional representation nor an extra level of local government that dates back from ancient Germanic/Scandinavian democracy; but those things cost money that is paid for in taxes.

    the Green Party | Drug Use

    At least President Obama has admitted he did like drugs (I think he even said to the journos that it would be pointless taking the risk if they weren’t any good!) and isn’t exactly rushing to stop the experiments with decrminalisation in some bits of the USA but even he had to tone down his comments to prevent a backlash from his own supporters.

    The other more global problem is that the UK and NL actively encouraged drug use in their former colonies as a distraction technique to keep the natives from fighting back against them – older generations in these countries remember this. The death penalty for drugs in Malaysia and Indonesia was introduced after independence ; it is only now these two countries have become a lot more politically and economically powerful (but suffer from problems with emigration and low birth rates) that it rarely used and that change happened as recently as 2012.

    You hear so little about the Green Party, I never had any idea about their views. Makes you wonder why the realists are so few and far between.

    sounds cool that they’ll id it for you, but for some substances knowing a purity % would be bad@$$ for some substances.

    edit: i read through the thread after posting and now see why they won’t do a purity for you… guess you find someone else for that.

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